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maxwedgehead 01-07-2018 04:27 PM

Common rail swap into 2nd gen
 
Anyone ever actually done this swap? I’m talking everything working like factory. My main concern is what did you do for a vacuum pump to still run the hvac? And what about cruise control? I have a second gen here that has a cracked block and the spare I had ended up having a cylinder wall chipped out. And I can go buy a 6.7 truck and use the engine and wiring from it. That part I’m fine with and can do with ease.

Mark Nixon 01-07-2018 04:32 PM

Early 3rd gens (03-04) used a small vacuum pump for the heater controls.
There's also aftermarket options, I believe.

IIRC, you must use the TIPM from the 6.7 truck for the ECM to not go SKIM crazy.

Mark.

1320Cummins 01-07-2018 11:38 PM

I plan to do this with my 01. My swap would most likely include an A1000 and possibly mating my body onto a 3rd gen chassis.

jlbayes 01-08-2018 08:46 AM

It will depend on what year of 2nd gen for cruise. Bunch of little nit picky crap through the years on them.

maxwedgehead 01-09-2018 09:05 AM

It’s a 99, looks like I’m gonna go through with it. Picking the donor truck up today. Will be installing a 6.7 with the intentions of everything working including the exhaust brake.

jlbayes 01-09-2018 02:53 PM

Treat it as a stand alone regarding the engine. You will need both the ecm and pcm from the 99 to make the cluster work.

Highwayman 01-09-2018 05:43 PM

There are a few threads here, but I don’t think they took all the stock stuff into consideration.

Tobin 01-09-2018 07:01 PM

I don't think you will find a way to get the cruise to work unless you used the early 5.9 common rail electronics on the 6.7. The cruise is in the ECM on the later 5.9/6.7 trucks.

You could do something like make the servo actuate the APPS.

maxwedgehead 01-09-2018 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobin (Post 2651243)
I don't think you will find a way to get the cruise to work unless you used the early 5.9 common rail electronics on the 6.7. The cruise is in the ECM on the later 5.9/6.7 trucks.

You could do something like make the servo actuate the APPS.

Well that’s not a good answer I will take the stock cruise cable and attach it to the pedal if I have to. My main question is if I need the tipm or not and I haven’t gotten a straight answer. If I have to use it it’s not a big deal.

cbandit99 01-09-2018 11:14 PM

I’m also getting ready to swap 6.7 in 2nd gen. From what I’ve been told you need to run every thing from donor. Tipm, pedal, cluster, ignition etc .

Tobin 01-10-2018 05:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maxwedgehead (Post 2651253)
Well that’s not a good answer I will take the stock cruise cable and attach it to the pedal if I have to. My main question is if I need the tipm or not and I haven’t gotten a straight answer. If I have to use it it’s not a big deal.

That's what I mentioned....hook the servo to the APPS.

No, you don't need the TIPM.

maxwedgehead 01-10-2018 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobin (Post 2651280)
That's what I mentioned....hook the servo to the APPS.

No, you don't need the TIPM.

I seen a thread you had and never seen if it was finished. So the tipm is not needed and the 60% load I’m guessing can be tuned around it? Exhaust brake still work without it?

Tobin 01-10-2018 08:35 AM

My understanding is the 60% load was able to be tuned out. For the EB, I would use a fleece controller. If you want to use stock, well then you will need a TIPM and a lot of stock electronic pieces. You will also need a way to lock the converter and control the transmission, which brings up another problem....the APPS for the stock 2nd gen pcm and the 6.7 APPS.

Tobin 01-10-2018 08:38 AM

Might be easier to run 06/07 5.9/48RE electronics with a fleece controller for the EB.

jlbayes 01-10-2018 09:26 AM

There are better controllers available than the Fleece. @me78569

maxwedgehead 01-10-2018 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobin (Post 2651291)
My understanding is the 60% load was able to be tuned out. For the EB, I would use a fleece controller. If you want to use stock, well then you will need a TIPM and a lot of stock electronic pieces. You will also need a way to lock the converter and control the transmission, which brings up another problem....the APPS for the stock 2nd gen pcm and the 6.7 APPS.

Truck is a 6 speed so won’t need to worry about a converter. If it’s going to need an aftermarket controller then I’ll go ahead and get an s400 for it.

Tobin 01-10-2018 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maxwedgehead (Post 2651310)
Truck is a 6 speed so won’t need to worry about a converter. If it’s going to need an aftermarket controller then I’ll go ahead and get an s400 for it.

Ok, that will make it easier.

Mark Nixon 01-11-2018 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobin (Post 2651280)

No, you don't need the TIPM.

Clarification is needed here.
Everything I have been looking at so far has said you need the TIPM and a corresponding functioning SKIM module to make the 6.7 ECMs work.

If you know something different, please share it, because I have people telling me it's not happening at this point.
At least, not with the 6.7 CM2100 ECMs.

Mark.

maxwedgehead 01-11-2018 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Nixon (Post 2651485)
Clarification is needed here.
Everything I have been looking at so far has said you need the TIPM and a corresponding functioning SKIM module to make the 6.7 ECMs work.

If you know something different, please share it, because I have people telling me it's not happening at this point.
At least, not with the 6.7 CM2100 ECMs.

Mark.

Destroked says you don’t need skim or the tipm. Diesel conversion says you need skim, tipm and the original key, I told that to the guy at Destroked and he says he hopes they keep telling people that because it gets them more business.

Mark Nixon 01-11-2018 12:36 PM

So, in other words, nothing conclusive, nothing you have actually seen work or used personally.

Mark.


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