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johndeere1 08-28-2018 09:06 AM

Guy running dry block wet head question
 
Changed the setup this year on a open driveline truck. Went with a dry block and a wet head currently running a Meziere water pump. Question is looking at down sizing from the factory radiator and going to a smaller one, so I can re-locate my air water. What radiator has anyone switched to when down sizing that works. Thanks for you input

9724VF350 08-28-2018 09:36 AM

3 row Honda Civic radiator with the fabricated aluminum shroud and 12" fan.

Small, light, easy to mount, and about $125 on ebay.

ryanss22 08-28-2018 12:06 PM

In running same setup, and am running a 16x18x2" universal radiator and an electric fan blowing out not ducking the heat back into the motor

ramtough01 08-28-2018 05:15 PM

Honda civic radiator also here and got a small 9inch electric fan on it

prostockpuller 08-29-2018 05:16 PM

Depending upon which class you are running and if you have a tow vehicle it really isn't necessary to run water at all.

bigstacks95 08-30-2018 06:49 AM

Run it empty and throw all the cooling system stuff in the trash. Talk about one less major headache. I have a tow vehicle and a good oil cooler and usually my oil temps are around ~150 after a pass. When I didn't have a tow vehicle they would be around ~180. Two passes per night were not a problem.

ComnRailPwr 08-30-2018 11:19 AM

Agree. Throw it all away. Put an oil temp sensor in and have fun. You will be surprised how long one can run around without I'll temp getting high.

smokinVE 08-30-2018 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bigstacks95 (Post 2679088)
Run it empty and throw all the cooling system stuff in the trash. Talk about one less major headache. I have a tow vehicle and a good oil cooler and usually my oil temps are around ~150 after a pass. When I didn't have a tow vehicle they would be around ~180. Two passes per night were not a problem.

What are you running for an oil cooler?

prostockpuller 08-30-2018 08:19 PM

Most of us do not run an oil cooler. I have an 18 quart oil pan and temps rarely exceed 160 dgrs after a run. Like stated above...throw the water system in the trash for pulling, fill the block and the head as well.

dmigz57 08-30-2018 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by prostockpuller (Post 2679161)
Most of us do not run an oil cooler. I have an 18 quart oil pan and temps rarely exceed 160 dgrs after a run. Like stated above...throw the water system in the trash for pulling, fill the block and the head as well.

Let’s say one was on a budget and decided to go dry block/head without filling them. Curious to hear anyone’s opinion...

9724VF350 08-30-2018 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dmigz57 (Post 2679163)
Let’s say one was on a budget and decided to go dry block/head without filling them. Curious to hear anyone’s opinion...

That’s pretty much pointless. Might as well have a cooling system then.

dmigz57 08-30-2018 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 9724VF350 (Post 2679167)
That’s pretty much pointless. Might as well have a cooling system then.

What’s pointless is that you obviously missed the point in what I was getting at.

bigstacks95 08-30-2018 09:46 PM

Whats not in the budget for block filler? Its like 50 bucks worth of Hard Blok to do a block and head. Only reason my head is dry is because I bought it used and didnt want the cement to harden up and make it move around.

Also I am running a small Derale cooler with a Petersen releif valve. However I hardly use the fan on the cooler unless I am making two passes or its like 100 degrees out and I have to drive the truck around the pits.

dmigz57 08-30-2018 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bigstacks95 (Post 2679171)
Whats not in the budget for block filler? Its like 50 bucks worth of Hard Blok to do a block and head. Only reason my head is dry is because I bought it used and didnt want the cement to harden up and make it move around.

Also I am running a small Derale cooler with a Petersen releif valve. However I hardly use the fan on the cooler unless I am making two passes or its like 100 degrees out and I have to drive the truck around the pits.

Budget was probably the wrong choice of word. Basically was wondering of anyone running dry block and no filler. I don’t see how concrete helps all that much

red dodge2 08-31-2018 06:53 AM

Throw the cooling system parts in the trash. Ran a filled block and a head that wasnt filled for years with no coolant.

Persingerpulling 09-02-2018 05:12 PM

My block is not filled, but it is a deck plate engine. I’ve seen more then a handful of filled blocks break, I’d say it’s marginal how much it helps for the cylinder pressure we try to push.

9724VF350 09-04-2018 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by dmigz57 (Post 2679168)
What’s pointless is that you obviously missed the point in what I was getting at.

If I could, I'd respond with a pic of my ballsack.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmigz57 (Post 2679173)
Budget was probably the wrong choice of word. Basically was wondering of anyone running dry block and no filler. I don’t see how concrete helps all that much

I don't think it does much more than give people a warm fuzzy feeling.

takedown95 09-04-2018 11:18 AM

I like to run a filled block and dry but not filled head. In attempt to save valves I like to get heat out of the head and if needed you can run a leaf blower directly into the head between passes.

TheHammer 09-04-2018 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Persingerpulling (Post 2679402)
My block is not filled, but it is a deck plate engine. I’ve seen more then a handful of filled blocks break, I’d say it’s marginal how much it helps for the cylinder pressure we try to push.

nobody cares about what you are running:poke: well besides me. sleeved engines are a much different breed. I would say it depends on the application. imo anyway to add strength to a block or dampn harmonics, the better. I would believe some strength is lost in thermo properties in a empty block. Cylinder heads I am on the fence about filling them. on my engines or heads they are not filled, unless it is for a sponsorship and my arm gets twisted hard enough.


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