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TwistedDiesel said:
Im suprised that Randy would let a NHRDA affiliate like yourself get on here and trash other race organizations while everyone is just trying to get things in order after the merger. Im sure you are # 1 on the get back to list especially when you start self imploding online, got prozac?
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You read too much into this if you think I in any way need drugs. Although, your the second pdra supporter to suggest drugs, so Im starting to wonder if maybe there is an addiction problem amongst its members?

Not sure what Randy or the NHRDA has to do with any of this. My only affiliation with that group is a sticker on my back window, and a chance to race with other diesels. I didnt realize that sticker means I cant speak out in public with my views on things.

As for giving ppl time, you have to understand that this "pdra" group has been around since 2006 per their own admission. Since that time, I've seen very little progress from the group, and only recently have I seen this sudden push for acceptance.

If they had just said that "Hey, a bunch of us are going to the track, and the track promised us a lane to ourselves" then this conversation would be pointless.

But they came on here claiming that they are a "professional" group, with prizes, and recognition, and negotiating events at tracks during other large events (mopar nats at pacific for example). Thats a lot of responsibility and there are legal aspects of it that have to be taken care of in order to be legit.

If the heads of the PDRA accept money or prizes from business' to hand out to the winners, and they are not registered in the state of WA for doing "business" then they are comitting a crime in the state of WA.

While some of you think im being a total d**k about this, Im also covering their asses, because if something goes wrong, its the "pdra" that will catch hell, and if the pdra is not registered, then its the advertised "leaders" that will get the lawsuits or criminal charges (depending exactly on what could go wrong). Even an LLC company would move the legal burden onto what ever the LLC has as assets, instead of what the individual persons have as assets. An LLC could keep them from losing a home or business. (Granted, this is all worse case scenario)

The part that really sucks, is that, while these "leaders" have the time to browse these websites, and read these posts, not to mention Im sure they are getting phone calls about it too, that they cant take the 5 minutes to respond that they are actively working to address the issues I've asked about. However, lots of other ppl appear to "know" the inner workings of the pdra and like to post in their place. Its a many headed beast I tell ya!
 
Sam said:
I've heard nothing but negative things about the Manager/Owner of this Organization on other boards, and about the leadership of the PDRA as a whole. Not sure what to think here?
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I’ve had such a great time viewing this thread that I have to sign up. After seeing people’s integrity being questioned I needed to post some FACTUAL information regarding the opposition. I happen to know the mouth pieces speaking for that group. They are being scripted and frequently I’ve watched as their Florida race rep (Chris) hovers over the thread as a new post is produced.

First of all congratulations are in order for the four owners of the PDRA. They went from zero to a huge membership overnight as “the fastest growing diesel motor sport organization in the world.”

However the formation took place, I’m glad to see it and I’m confident that they have the sincere motivation to bring a diesel venue at the lowest cost to the racers. So, hang in there and remember those negative posts are a generated from jealousy and validate the rumors of just how pocket-lining driven that other group really is.

The integrity questions are being bought up by people who obviously either aren’t networked or don’t have enough experience with the diesel race community. I’ll set you straight with the facts: the owner of that 4 year old Washington state race org doesn’t wear white. He’s had a lot of problems with many businesses. Check out the problems with Eastern WA Sand Drags, Pacific Raceways (who didn’t receive promised fees), call them up they’ll tell you the story about it. Also let’s not forget the past purse issues where the winners never received their prize; once again guess who? Not to mention at every event gate fees are doubled and sometimes tripled with all profit going to the race org. How noble…..

Some of that race organization’s sponsors are poorly promoted because the owner of the race org has a shop that pushes a specific vendor’s products. So, sponsors aren’t receiving their full representation.

Last year at the SEMA show I spoke with some of the diesel-related vendors. Although they had praise for the Georgia race organization, they hammered the WA state org because they were given excuses about not meeting sponsors’ expectations.

And, to the Forgone Ford guy, who are you, do you race? If your racing success reflects your knowledge base, you must follow a lot of tail gates.
You seem to be a connoisseur of public records; did you have to receive a top secret government clearance to access them? You have a lot of time on your hands; perhaps you’re not too good with the ladies? You need to get a life.
 
So researching a subject and having knowledge on it now means you don't have a life.. Alright from here on out if any of you even THINK about knowing what your talking about I am dropping the hammer!

And yes he races quite often. Amazing that questions aren't answered, they are met with slams. You must back the PDRA too? I'm really likin that orginization. But I'll stop there, I don't want to know too much.

And before you get all bent out of shape.. I don't dislike the idea, I think it's great. And I definitely don't have any problems with the people running it. But this isn't the 50's. There are legal things that *should* be addressed. Will they ever be a problem? Probably not, but there is always a possibility.
 
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I'm not going to bash any organization on here, I just asked a few questions about what PDRA is and what their plans are. It would be nice if someone "in the know" answered.

I will however chime in as someone who has competed in DHRA, NHRDA, and NADM events, and had a few winnings from them (especially at NHRDA, but those are the races I race the most). I have received every promised payout from every NHRDA event. When I had a delay in receiving a contingency payment from one of the sponsors, NHRDA stepped up to help me out. I don't know anything of the allegations of the past against the organizers, but I know that I have been racing their events since 2006 and have never seen anything unprofessional. I have been racing NHRA since 1983, so I've seen my share of events.

In the interest of full disclosure, my employer (ISSPRO) usually sets up a vendor booth at the events we attend, including at NHRDA events.

Regards,
Michael Pliska
 
fordsel said:
I’ve had such a great time viewing this thread that I have to sign up. After seeing people’s integrity being questioned I needed to post some FACTUAL information regarding the opposition.
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I wouldnt say I had a "great time" viewing this thread. It did prompt me to sign up as well though. After reading this thread, and others like it on other boards this will be my first and most likely last post here. For some reason those associated with and supporting the PDRA would rather reply with insults, smart comments, and slander against those asking pertinent questions and other race organizations. I personally have never raced. I have however been planning to get into it on some level. Having recently returned from the Middle East I now have more time to participate in my local diesel community. After the hostile comments coming from those related, in one way or another, to the PDRA I think I will NOT have anything to do with said "organization/club/association/whatever". Maybe if someone with something resembling tact, civility, or actually in a position of "authority" within the PDRA will respond (to be fair Rottin Rhonda has replied fairly and with a GREAT deal of civility, answering questions to the best of her ability) my position will change...
 
Fellow Racers,

In light of our recent merger, we have been dedicating our time setting up our administration requirements, our transformation, rules, and scheduling, along with a few other different and exciting options.

We know a couple of you are closely keeping an eye on our status. We ask you to please wait for our Official Introductory Announcement which will be available sometime in the upcoming week.

We also do not encourage any level of Associative bashing, it seems that we have a few people utilizing these posts for their tools for making additional degrading comments towards this and other associations.

Thank You for being patient, and stay tuned for future announcements.

It's going to be an exciting kick off year!




The PDRA Founders.:tree:
 
Im not sure how the NHRDA got brought into this. I never once compared the pdra to any other group or people. Anyone who read into my posts that I was in any way trying to make one group look better than the other has some issues to work out. It does however make one question that if a registered state business that is publicly auditable and accountable can be accused of money issues, then what kinda of issues can a non-registered association be accused of?!

As for the reply from the PDRA above. Thank You. While it doesnt quite answer any specific questions, it *IS* a response and it gives a timeframe that we can look forward to more information. Thats really all I was asking for (for now anywayz). I will read into it and assume the "administration requirements" means whatever filings are needed with the state.

With luck, it sounds like the wheels are pointed in the right direction.
 
I believe the NHRDA got brought into this when FORDSEl hopped on his soap box in post #22. The other post regarding the NHRDA were purely in defense of the propaganda being spewed in this thread.
 
Any luck on the business license?

I learned something over the weekend. If your doing business over the internet, and never make a physical presence in another state, then you can get away with only registering as a business in your "home" state.

However, if you physically step foot in a state other than your "home" state, you must be registered with that state specifically in order to conduct business. Conducting business effectively means, money or sevices exchanges hands. Regardless if its for profit or not.

To test this theory, I looked up the NHRA on the WA business search. The NHRA is based out of Cali, but sure enough, they are also registered in WA, they just point their business license address to their California address for mailing purposes.

So, if the PDRA, or an agent of the PDRA (which currently appears to be basing itself out of New Jersey from what I can tell) tries to collect money, in person, in WA state, without a WA state business license, they are effectively commiting a felony in the state of WA.
 
Ford_Forgotton said:
Any luck on the business license?

I learned something over the weekend. If your doing business over the internet, and never make a physical presence in another state, then you can get away with only registering as a business in your "home" state.

However, if you physically step foot in a state other than your "home" state, you must be registered with that state specifically in order to conduct business. Conducting business effectively means, money or sevices exchanges hands. Regardless if its for profit or not.

To test this theory, I looked up the NHRA on the WA business search. The NHRA is based out of Cali, but sure enough, they are also registered in WA, they just point their business license address to their California address for mailing purposes.

So, if the PDRA, or an agent of the PDRA (which currently appears to be basing itself out of New Jersey from what I can tell) tries to collect money, in person, in WA state, without a WA state business license, they are effectively commiting a felony in the state of WA.
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:thankyou2: and have a very nice day.
 
Whats the problem in asking to see a business license huh? If your gonna charge money (which you are), then you better damn well have your ducks in a row, or Im gonna make sure you dont do ANY business in my state.

For a group that wants to be "by the racers, for the racers" as you've claimed in the past, you've sure done a piss poor job of it. Last time I check, Im a racer, and you've done ZERO to answer any of my questions with anything less than sarcasm.

I've been exceedingly polite up to this point. Now Im not.

Show me proof that you can legally conduct business, or I will be placing calls with my states attorney general, and will give them the info that you will be conducting business at bremerton racetrack on two dates, and most likely will be taking applications for membership at the extended tech inspection and post party that Rhonda posted about on the bomber board.

I will also be contacting the tracks listed in your schedule to discuss their legal boundaries in signing contracts with non existant groups.

You guys screwed up by being jerks. Start acting responsible and maybe we can put this behind us. I'll give ya a week, then I start making calls.
 
Is the NHDRA listed in Oregon? I can't seem to find mention of them anywhere in the state archives. I know they were running a race in Portland recently, just curious.

I had no idea this was the case. The old company I worked for a few years ago wasn't licensed in every state either. In fact, my territory extended to 5 states and I think we were only licensed in those we held inventory in. So that would be 2 of 'em. I would hate to pay the penalties on $24,000,000 in sales in 3 states!!

Dave
 
I know all of the business trucks I see on the freeway between portland and vancouver all have two business ID's on their rigs. One for WA, and one for OR.

Oregon's business search page is not being very friendly, but using the nhrda as an example, you can go to the WA search page here: https://fortress.wa.gov/dol/dolprod/bpdLicenseQuery/ and the nhrda's UBI number is 601950265. Registered as a for profit business in WA.

If you search for the NHRA in oregon, it comes up blank also, so oregon may have different requirements. Im pretty sure the NHRA is operating legally in oregon.

If you want to get down to brass tacks, certain CITIES require a business license in ADDITION to the state license. I know seattle has additional requirements above and beyond just the state licenseing. Everyone wants their piece of the tax pie.

The only reason at this point I have any intrest in this at all is because the "leaders" of the PDRA insist on being about as UN-professional as you can get, and every time they post with some form of sarcastic, childish response, it only further demonstrates exactly how UN-professional this "professional diesel racers association" really is.

I started out with some very simple questions, was instantly attacked for being a "mouthpiece" for the NHRDA, which only ignited my curiosity to ask even more questions, to be further attacked. I have given lots of opportunities to end this conversation (mostly by leaving them room and time to actually get some answers put down on the web) and so far, other than a poor racing schedule broken out on opposite ends of the country, and broken into classes that will be lucky to get 1 or 2 vehicles to compete in at an event, Ive gotten nothing. (somewhere, there is an english teacher having a heart attack over that last paragraph! hahahaha).

I would think, since ppl are paying money at this point, that some answers and info would be much appreciated. Check your sarcasm, and attacks at the door.
 
I dunno about the attacks, but I am willing to give these guys a chance.

I think the NHDRA thing is because in WA, there's a DBA associated I believe. And that appears to be Randy's if I am not mistaken. So, it would be an extension of his business and not a standalone business. As far as Oregon. it would be interesting to find that info out. I am sure the NHDRA would be willing to post all their business licenses on line so that would save some searching.

But none of that matters to me. I think more racing and sled pulling is better than less. Hopefully all this gets worked out and I am sure it will. But I get a better feeling with the folks that have thrown their hats in this arena as opposed to some others. Not making any accusations, just the feeling I get.



Dave
 
Ford_Forgotton said:
You read too much into this if you think I in any way need drugs. Although, your the second pdra supporter to suggest drugs, so Im starting to wonder if maybe there is an addiction problem amongst its members?

Not sure what Randy or the NHRDA has to do with any of this. My only affiliation with that group is a sticker on my back window, and a chance to race with other diesels. I didnt realize that sticker means I cant speak out in public with my views on things.

As for giving ppl time, you have to understand that this "pdra" group has been around since 2006 per their own admission. Since that time, I've seen very little progress from the group, and only recently have I seen this sudden push for acceptance.

If they had just said that "Hey, a bunch of us are going to the track, and the track promised us a lane to ourselves" then this conversation would be pointless.

But they came on here claiming that they are a "professional" group, with prizes, and recognition, and negotiating events at tracks during other large events (mopar nats at pacific for example). Thats a lot of responsibility and there are legal aspects of it that have to be taken care of in order to be legit.

If the heads of the PDRA accept money or prizes from business' to hand out to the winners, and they are not registered in the state of WA for doing "business" then they are comitting a crime in the state of WA.

While some of you think im being a total d**k about this, Im also covering their asses, because if something goes wrong, its the "pdra" that will catch hell, and if the pdra is not registered, then its the advertised "leaders" that will get the lawsuits or criminal charges (depending exactly on what could go wrong). Even an LLC company would move the legal burden onto what ever the LLC has as assets, instead of what the individual persons have as assets. An LLC could keep them from losing a home or business. (Granted, this is all worse case scenario)

The part that really sucks, is that, while these "leaders" have the time to browse these websites, and read these posts, not to mention Im sure they are getting phone calls about it too, that they cant take the 5 minutes to respond that they are actively working to address the issues I've asked about. However, lots of other ppl appear to "know" the inner workings of the pdra and like to post in their place. Its a many headed beast I tell ya!
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after reading this thread I decided to call a couple tracks to see if your organization (nhrda) had permits for the events that they have recently put on and they all came through with the same answer.......no.

but that is not for me to worry about, however I would like to add my input, I think that the nhrda going out and hiring a clown to represent them was a great idea, but I think that you would be better utilized at the track making balloon animals for the kids instead of trying to bash superior race organizations on the internet.

just my two cents
 
Define "permit". Anyone can rent/lease/borrow the track without a permit. Just gotta make a deal with the track. The business license aspect of it comes into play when you start dealing with money. Either collecting it from the racers or sponsors, or collecting a portion of the gate fees, or whatever deal you have with the track.

You have two factual errors in your last paragraph. 1. Im not being paid by anyone, much less the NHRDA. and 2. Im only questioning one race organization on the internet, and I would hardly describe it as "superior".

As much fun as this has been, I have to bow out for a little while. I got a call today from an individual that I respect in the diesel community, and in a nutshell that person asked me to take a breather on the PDRA thing for a little while. I was kinda suprised to get the call, and I need to track down who's been leaking my cell phone number out, as this is not someone I have ever talked with on the phone or given my number too. I kinda get the warm and fuzzies knowing I mean enough to get a call from someone that high up in the diesel ranks. (and no, it wasnt gale banks hahaha).
 
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Ford_Forgotton said:
Define "permit". Anyone can rent/lease/borrow the track without a permit. Just gotta make a deal with the track. The business license aspect of it comes into play when you start dealing with money. Either collecting it from the racers or sponsors, or collecting a portion of the gate fees, or whatever deal you have with the track.

You have two factual errors in your last paragraph. 1. Im not being paid by anyone, much less the NHRDA. and 2. Im only questioning one race organization on the internet, and I would hardly describe it as "superior".

As much fun as this has been, I have to bow out for a little while. I got a call today from an individual that I respect in the diesel community, and in a nutshell that person asked me to take a breather on the PDRA thing for a little while. I was kinda suprised to get the call, and I need to track down who's been leaking my cell phone number out, as this is not someone I have ever talked with on the phone or given my number too. I kinda get the warm and fuzzies knowing I mean enough to get a call from someone that high up in the diesel ranks. (and no, it wasnt gale banks hahaha).
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But does he have a red truck? :nos:
 
Ford_Forgotton said:
Define "permit". Anyone can rent/lease/borrow the track without a permit. Just gotta make a deal with the track. The business license aspect of it comes into play when you start dealing with money. Either collecting it from the racers or sponsors, or collecting a portion of the gate fees, or whatever deal you have with the track.

You have two factual errors in your last paragraph. 1. Im not being paid by anyone, much less the NHRDA. and 2. Im only questioning one race organization on the internet, and I would hardly describe it as "superior".

As much fun as this has been, I have to bow out for a little while. I got a call today from an individual that I respect in the diesel community, and in a nutshell that person asked me to take a breather on the PDRA thing for a little while. I was kinda suprised to get the call, and I need to track down who's been leaking my cell phone number out, as this is not someone I have ever talked with on the phone or given my number too. I kinda get the warm and fuzzies knowing I mean enough to get a call from someone that high up in the diesel ranks. (and no, it wasnt gale banks hahaha).
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your calling off the hunt now that you caught your own snake...:hehe:
 
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