Oliver 1750

southernsmoke

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Bought a oliver 1750 and soon to get my income taxes :rockwoot:, Now ive done some reading and have went the route of finding a 12 v p pumped stock cummins for 1500 bucks that runs. what else will i need to do to be competitive and turn 600-700 hp
 
What rpm are you allowed to run? What application is the engine from? Any turbo limits?

I'd say as far as power goes,

O/fire ring
studs
valvesprings assuming you're allowed to run some rpm
camshaft would be nice but not required
I'd go with pretty good sized injectors since you don't need to worry about it being dirty, probably 5X20's.
Pump mods
If you want to keep the turbo tucked up under the hood where it looks nice, you need a 3rd gen style manifold. The 12v version won't hold up very well at the temps that you'll be running, they are prone to cracking. A aftermarket t4 flange 3rd gen manifold is my favorite choice.
Port and polish would be a good idea.
Good flywheel and clutch setup.
 
Exact rules that i will have to conform to Dont know if any of you are familiar with ken ten




Hot Farm Rules


A. This class is intended for farm stock tractors only!!
1. 1. No Super Farm tractors allowed.
2. 2. No Pro Stock tractors allowed.
3. 3. No Super Stock tractors allowed.

B. RPM limit is 3000.
Each tractor is required to have an Isspro magnetic pick up device
#019R8906. This is available at Schied Diesel, 1800-669-1593, for
approximately $51.00.


C. Tire Size
Tire size is limited to 24.5x32 or 20.8x42 or smaller.
NO CUT TIRES ALLOWED.


D. Air Supply Shutoff
Tractors must have an air supply shutoff in front of turbo workable from a kill cable at rear of tractor located 48” above drawbar, off 6”to either side.


E. Stabilizer Bars
Tractors must have stabilizer bars (wheelie). Bars must extend a minimum of 32” from center of rear wheel back. Bars must have a pad of 5” square minimum. Bars must have 20” minimum between the pads. Stabilizer bars must be able to support the weight of the tractor in the heaviest class pulled in. There must be a brace that extends vertically 12” from the rear most tip of the skid pad, and there must be a brace that extends inward to the frame, axle, or top of stabilizer bar arms.


F. Safety Tie Bars
Tractors must have safety tie bars mounted to the rear axe housing with at least 4 axle housing bolts and extending forward of flywheel area and fastened to side of block or main frame with at least 2 5/8 bolts. Tie bars must be of sufficient strength to support weight of tractor with the bolts used to split the tractor at the clutch bell housing removal.

G. Safety Blanket
Safety blanket must be on tractor bell housing.


H. Fly Wheel
Steel flywheel and clutch components are strongly recommended, but not required with 3000 RPM limitation and other safety equipment.


I. Roll Cage
Tractors are required to have roll-over protection capable to withstand the weight of the tractor in the heaviest class pulled in. Seat belts are required.


J. Drawbar
Tractors will have a drawbar maximum 20” vertical from ground. Drawbar must be minimum of 18” horizontal length from center of rear wheels back. Drawbars must have a hole for the hitch, oblong shape, 3¾” x 3” wide.
No clevis allowed!
 
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Is there not a weight limit or specific rules about engine parameters? A 1750 with a 5.9 would have a hard time against a 6030 at 18,000 lbs for example
 
Its that or this cause i dont think i can afford to build one for super farm


7000 SS Rules

Engine block must remain in original location at located by manufacturer

Only engines considered legal to be used in Super Stock division must be available in two

wheel drive farm tractors.



The stock transmission housing or manufacturer’s replacement and the stock final drive housing or

Manufacturer’s replacement.



Allow tractors with cast tub (belly( type frame (i.e., Oliver, Cockshutt, White) to remove complete

Frame from front of transmission housing. Engine and clutch housing to remain in original location and

Mounted solid as intended by original manufacturer.



The OEM engine block of given brand to remain consistent with that brand of transmission and rear

Housing as well as sheet metal. It cannot be modified externally, except for normal repair or for

Mounting of fuel injection pumps.



Internal webbing and water jacket must remain intact with provisions to rebore engine block be

Provided.



An external hold down device is allowed to hold head to block. This device connects top of head to bottom of block, and must remain behind side shields.



This device does not replace the safety cable, with must remain in place.



All engines must be secured and held rigid to OEM chassis. Engine cannot move independent of

Rear end/transmission housing.



The chassis and frame must remain stock from the rear of the engine block to the rear of the

Tractor.



The grill may be altered to allow air intake, but not totally removed.



The clutch housing, transmission case, rear end housing and axle housing must be OEM, with no

Aluminum replacements.



No auxiliary internal combustion engines are allowed onboard to drive pumps, accessories, etc.



One piece engine main cap bearings allowed. One piece main cap not considered a girdle.



We will allow component tractors at Super Stock competition under the following criteria:

· Must install an aftermarket frame with an SFI-6.2 or 6.3 bell housing to replace the

Original clutch housing. Must also install an aftermarket transmission and rear end to replace the original equipment transmission and rear end/final drive housing. (If larger than 11Inch clutch is used, refer to the industrial, marine clutch rules listed in General Rules)

No cast iron Ag-type transmission or rear end components allowed.

· Primary (and secondary, if used) drawbar and roll cage, with five point restraint harness. Must

be part of the aftermarket frame structure.

· Engine block of given brand to remain consistent with that brand of sheet metal. The engine

Block cannot be modified externally from OEM configuration, except for normal repair or for

Mounting of fuel injection pumps.

· Engine location on component Super Stock tractors: centerline of the crankshaft may not be below the centerline of the rear axle and must be parallel within two degrees in relationship to the ground. (Tow degrees equals 7/16th inch per foot. This equal approximately four inches of fall from center of rear axle to the 114inch wheelbase point. This is to be measured with tire, hitch and weight in ready to pull position.)

· All engines component Super Stock tractors to be mounted no farther forward than 60 inches from the centerline of the rear axle to rear of the engine block.

· Crankshaft centerline to be between top and bottom rail of frame. Bottom of frame rail

May be no more than six inches below centerline of crankshaft from rear of engine block.

· Component tractors are allowed to use any agricultural type engine that conforms to sheet metal and cubic inch limits.

· All tube ladder type frames must be covered on outside with steel or aluminum 0.060 thick and run in the same plain as the crankshaft.

· Appearance to remain stock of given brand and model.

· Driveline shielding sane as Modified tractor rules.

· All component tractors can run a maximum of 114inch wheelbase, either a maximum overall of 13 feet from center of rear axle to forward most point.



Non-component Super Stock tractors are required to have an SFI Spec 4.2 bell housing blanket.



Only mechanically activated clutches are permitted.



Tractor must have hood and grill in place as intended by the manufacturer.



Sheet metal may be upgrade to present manufacturer .



Sheet metal upgrade may not cross original manufacturer’s lines. For example, Case to IH, or Oliver to Minneapolis Moline.



Sheet metal to be stock length and in stock location.



Tractor must retain stock appearance.



The distance from the center of the rear axles to that part of the hood that s farthest must be the same length as the model of the ungraded sheet metal.



Wheelbase rule will apply according to the original chassis, not to the model of the ungraded sheet metal.



Maximum of 114inch wheelbase unless originally produced with longer wheelbase, in which case stock length must remain. Maximum length of 13 feet from center of rear wheel to forward most portion.



Super Stock class is limited to 505cid. Only tow valve per cylinder must be parallel with each other

and parallel within 15 degrees of cylinder wall. OEM canted valve heads allowed. No overhead cams allowed.



Turbocharged engines are required to have one cable that must surround the engine block and head. This cable must be placed between first and second cylinder through exhaust manifold port area.

*Cable must be a minimum of 3/8inch thickness.

*Cable must gave a minimum of (2) clamps at the splice.

*Cable must have approximately 4 inches of slack.

*Multiple head engines required one cable per head.



Super Stocks are limited to (3) pressure stages, with a maximum of (4) turbo charger.



Super Stock tractors are limited to (2) valves per cylinder.



Diesel Super Stock division water injection and/or intercooler allowed.



Metal deflection shield between driver and engine from top of hood to top of torque tube or trans housing or clutch housing from side shield to side shield. This also serves as a flash fire shield.





Tractor must have either:

*Safety tie bars mounted to rear axle housing with at least (4) axle housing bolts and extending

Forward of flywheel area and fastened to side of block or main frame with at least (2) 5/8inch

Bolts. Or

*A one piece frame extending from front of tractor to rear axle housing mounting bolts.



Tie bars or frame must be of sufficient strength to support weight of tractor with the bolts used to

Split the tractor removed.



Safety blankets must be on the inside of the tie-bar and the tie bar must be fastened forward of the rear of the engine block.



All ether bottles (or starting aids) must be placed outside of engine compartment.



Super Stock tractors that require tools for the removal of side shields must be equipped with an onboard fire control system. Onboard system nozzles must be in the engine compartment.



Tires : 30.5 x 32 with a maximum of 210 inch circumference, when inflated to 10psi. Tread width not to

Exceed 32 inches. Width determined by manufacturer’s size.



Vehicle must have a complete firewall with no holes except for controls. Holes not to exceed ½ inch larger that control.



Super Stock tractors utilizing onboard fire extinguishing system must place one nozzle on each side

Of the engine, inside the engine compartment. Not to be attached to the sheet metal.



All safety rules in General Rules apply to Super Stock Class.

Must have roll cage SF1 47.1 or SF1 47.2 or equivalent to those specs.

Any 4 turbocharger Diesel tractor may compete at 6500 lbs above rules apply.

Any 3 turbocharger Diesel tractor may compete at 7000lbs. above rules apply.

Any 3 turbocharger Alcohol tractor may compete at 6500lbs above rules apply.

Any 2 turbocharger Alcohol tractor may compete at 7000lbs above rules apply.
 
Well that second class is a superstock class and it will take alot more money than superfarm will to pull with them. Now I am not familiar with the association and the tractors that pull in it but it will take alot of Hp to pull with them. The first class would work fine but like I said you will need to stay in the lighter classes to be competitive. If you are looking for a class in the Ky and Tn area I would look into the light limited superstock class (LLSS) it is offered both by ORVTPA and Middle Tn pullers. It is a 6200 lb class that the smaller cube engines would be able to compete, especially if you put it on alcohol.
 
Again it depends on the rules for the class
Example 1) 15,000 lbs class 359ci cummins/1750 oliver vs 619ci/ 6030 JD, there is no way that you will get the cummins stroked out that far to be able to compete with those tractors especially at 3000 rpm

Example 2) 8000 lbs class 359 cummins/1750 oliver vs 301ci/ allis 190, yes you could use the cummins to pull against these tractors as you would be on a similar playing field.

You need to find out some more specifics about the class before you sink money into a chasis that will not work for the class. Either class that you decide to pull in you will probably need to work on the motor some, just because it says hot farm/ farm stock doesnt mean its the same tractor that goes and plows the next day. Hot farm tractors in ORVTPA are running close to 700 hp is what I have heard.
 
The biggest thing you're gonna run into is the IH guys can drop to well below 8000 and you're gonna be pulling against 466's. I do believe there are a couple groups in the country that have small C.I. classes but that really depends on what part of the country.
 
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