New engine build Scania DC1601 for our semi truckpuller. - Page 11 - Competition Diesel.Com

tall boy · 11-04-2013, 02:15 AM

Black Jack Racing team won the B final on Brands Hatch.

During the last races in Zolder Belgium they had big cooling problems on the breaks and engine cooling system so after the races in Zolder they made good changes to the water cooling systems for the breaks and radiator.

The mid end power of the D13A Volvo engine proven to be there as they where able to run the whole circuit in one gear only using the gear splitter.
Still the problems is EGT and that’s effects the top end power as they still need to hold back on fuel so some work needs to be on the turbocharger and waste gate and intercooler system.

tall boy · 11-04-2013, 09:51 AM

A bit of drifting on the begin of this YouTube movie

Truck Racing-Brands Hatch-Halloween 2013 - YouTube

tall boy · 11-09-2013, 04:00 AM

The new look for 2014. STEAMLINE.

Just back from the paint shop.

tall boy · 11-11-2013, 02:41 AM

Coming soon the Dakar Rally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6WXOLWcM58

tall boy · 11-19-2013, 03:10 AM

http://www.schoonesdakar.nl/ is ready for it. Tomorrow 3 race trucks one 6x6 support truck and one small 4x4 technical support truck will travel to Le Havre France.

tall boy · 11-21-2013, 06:07 AM

Ready for action.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym0foGAcWk8

tall boy · 11-23-2013, 07:25 AM

Next project for 2014 is investigating how we can improve engine performance on two type of Euro5 13L race truck engines.
Smoke reduction compared to Euro 3 or even Euro 4 engines is a lot so not a lot of effort will be needed on that part.
The big gain I’m hoping for is to find a turbo with low inertia so spool-up will be a lot faster but I also have to look into how the driver is handling the power he has to it’s disposal as having instant 4000Nm+ torque can be hard to handle.

Leiffi · 11-26-2013, 10:20 AM

I was reading pulling rules for finnish truck classes, they should be the same as dutch. There says gearbox and drive axle must be original manufacturer. How can you use ZF box and DAF axle ? OK, Scania heavy haulers have been using ZF boxes with torque converter but there has never been DAF axles. I dont even understand why you want to use weaker ZF box, is it 16 sp vs. 14 sp, better gearing ?

tall boy · 11-27-2013, 03:23 PM

The VTN and NTTO rules state that the truck must have a European road approval so even some US build trucks can be used. OK for parts, the engine make must be the same as the truck or the engine must have been used in the type of truck even if it was a prototype with European road approval. There is even a truck with European road approval that has a C18 Cat in it for example same is you can use a Cummins N14 engine in a DAF truck.

Gearbox and axle must be original to a truck not to what have been used on the truck so if we want we can even use a rear axle of a terminal truck used for loading and unloading RORO ships with a reduction ratio of 12 so yes we have a lot of freedom on parts and so far all team use standard parts some with minor modifications.

We call it a DAF axle but is it really DAF??? NO!

ZF gearbox weak? Don’t think so and the gearbox we use is stock. The secret of it all lays in the way we build the truck eliminating weak spots. Torque up the whole semi truck lifting only one front wheel from the ground and change is breakdowns happen more often due to the fact that the whole alignment isn’t there any more so a great deal of effort is spend on that part alone.

We are building a new Scania Torpedo truck and over time it will be replacing de Manne van Janne 1 truck puller. The new truck will have a V8 16 litter engine. This project still runs empty walled due to our sponsors providing us the parts but more sponsors are always welcome.

Leiffi · 12-04-2013, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by tall boy

The VTN and NTTO rules state that the truck must have a European road approval so even some US build trucks can be used. OK for parts, the engine make must be the same as the truck or the engine must have been used in the type of truck even if it was a prototype with European road approval. There is even a truck with European road approval that has a C18 Cat in it for example same is you can use a Cummins N14 engine in a DAF truck.

Gearbox and axle must be original to a truck not to what have been used on the truck so if we want we can even use a rear axle of a terminal truck used for loading and unloading RORO ships with a reduction ratio of 12 so yes we have a lot of freedom on parts and so far all team use standard parts some with minor modifications.

We call it a DAF axle but is it really DAF??? NO!

ZF gearbox weak? Don’t think so and the gearbox we use is stock. The secret of it all lays in the way we build the truck eliminating weak spots. Torque up the whole semi truck lifting only one front wheel from the ground and change is breakdowns happen more often due to the fact that the whole alignment isn’t there any more so a great deal of effort is spend on that part alone.

We are building a new Scania Torpedo truck and over time it will be replacing de Manne van Janne 1 truck puller. The new truck will have a V8 16 litter engine. This project still runs empty walled due to our sponsors providing us the parts but more sponsors are always welcome.

Maybe the finnish translation is wrong, I have to check english version.

ZF boxes have not been very reliable in road use, even 13 litre Ivecos break them all the time, no problems with Volvo or Scania boxes even behind tuned 16 litre engines.

Yes, Sisu has road approval for C18, too bad they are so unreliable engines.

tall boy · 12-21-2013, 03:16 AM

Last truck races on Brands Hatch where we won the last race with the number 44 Balck Jack Volvo truck.
Mid end power on this engine is there but still need some work done on getting the intake air temp down to get the EGT down.

http://www.digitexvideo.co.uk/webtv/...s-hatch-final/

tall boy · 12-30-2013, 05:23 AM

A sneak preview of the New Scania Torpedo V8 we are building.

The new build is made possible by all our sponsors donating load of parts and so far we can proceed with the build almost empty walled.
There is not yet a date set when this project will be ready but all team members are putting in a lot of time and effort and so far we did not see any delays.

dvst8r · 12-30-2013, 10:10 AM

Pic didn't work for me.

tall boy · 12-30-2013, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dvst8r

Pic didn't work for me.

Must amid it looks a bid odd or ugly in this state but well we have to start somewhere.

Main drawing we work from.
http://webapp109.scania.com/y/ytp/do...4_1381324t.pdf

dvst8r · 12-30-2013, 01:56 PM

No it actually was just showing a red x, not the aesthetics of the machine. It is working now though.

SmokinCAT · 12-30-2013, 04:01 PM

Still can't get over the fact that they let you guys run those tires over there.

oldestof11 · 12-30-2013, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dvst8r

No it actually was just showing a red x, not the aesthetics of the machine. It is working now though.

Works for me on tapatalk.

Leiffi · 12-30-2013, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokinCAT

Still can't get over the fact that they let you guys run those tires over there.

Dont like them either, doesnt look like a truck at all.

SmokinCAT · 12-30-2013, 07:23 PM

We aren't allowed to run anything that isn't DOT legal so it keeps that type of tire out of competition.

Leiffi · 12-31-2013, 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokinCAT

We aren't allowed to run anything that isn't DOT legal so it keeps that type of tire out of competition.

We were earlier limited to twin 315 wide tyres but rules were changed so that competitors can pull in Holland too if they want.

11-04-2013, 02:15 AM	#201
tall boy Name: tall boy Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2012 Member`s Gallery Posts: 797	Black Jack Racing team won the B final on Brands Hatch. During the last races in Zolder Belgium they had big cooling problems on the breaks and engine cooling system so after the races in Zolder they made good changes to the water cooling systems for the breaks and radiator. The mid end power of the D13A Volvo engine proven to be there as they where able to run the whole circuit in one gear only using the gear splitter. Still the problems is EGT and that’s effects the top end power as they still need to hold back on fuel so some work needs to be on the turbocharger and waste gate and intercooler system.

11-09-2013, 04:00 AM	#203
tall boy Name: tall boy Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2012 Member`s Gallery Posts: 797	The new look for 2014. STEAMLINE. Just back from the paint shop.

11-11-2013, 02:41 AM	#204
tall boy Name: tall boy Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2012 Member`s Gallery Posts: 797	Coming soon the Dakar Rally. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6WXOLWcM58

11-19-2013, 03:10 AM	#205
tall boy Name: tall boy Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2012 Member`s Gallery Posts: 797	http://www.schoonesdakar.nl/ is ready for it. Tomorrow 3 race trucks one 6x6 support truck and one small 4x4 technical support truck will travel to Le Havre France.

11-23-2013, 07:25 AM	#207
tall boy Name: tall boy Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2012 Member`s Gallery Posts: 797	Next project for 2014 is investigating how we can improve engine performance on two type of Euro5 13L race truck engines. Smoke reduction compared to Euro 3 or even Euro 4 engines is a lot so not a lot of effort will be needed on that part. The big gain I’m hoping for is to find a turbo with low inertia so spool-up will be a lot faster but I also have to look into how the driver is handling the power he has to it’s disposal as having instant 4000Nm+ torque can be hard to handle.

11-26-2013, 10:20 AM	#208
Leiffi Name: Leiffi Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2013 Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,381	I was reading pulling rules for finnish truck classes, they should be the same as dutch. There says gearbox and drive axle must be original manufacturer. How can you use ZF box and DAF axle ? OK, Scania heavy haulers have been using ZF boxes with torque converter but there has never been DAF axles. I dont even understand why you want to use weaker ZF box, is it 16 sp vs. 14 sp, better gearing ?

11-27-2013, 03:23 PM	#209
tall boy Name: tall boy Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2012 Member`s Gallery Posts: 797	The VTN and NTTO rules state that the truck must have a European road approval so even some US build trucks can be used. OK for parts, the engine make must be the same as the truck or the engine must have been used in the type of truck even if it was a prototype with European road approval. There is even a truck with European road approval that has a C18 Cat in it for example same is you can use a Cummins N14 engine in a DAF truck. Gearbox and axle must be original to a truck not to what have been used on the truck so if we want we can even use a rear axle of a terminal truck used for loading and unloading RORO ships with a reduction ratio of 12 so yes we have a lot of freedom on parts and so far all team use standard parts some with minor modifications. We call it a DAF axle but is it really DAF??? NO! ZF gearbox weak? Don’t think so and the gearbox we use is stock. The secret of it all lays in the way we build the truck eliminating weak spots. Torque up the whole semi truck lifting only one front wheel from the ground and change is breakdowns happen more often due to the fact that the whole alignment isn’t there any more so a great deal of effort is spend on that part alone. We are building a new Scania Torpedo truck and over time it will be replacing de Manne van Janne 1 truck puller. The new truck will have a V8 16 litter engine. This project still runs empty walled due to our sponsors providing us the parts but more sponsors are always welcome.

12-21-2013, 03:16 AM	#211
tall boy Name: tall boy Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2012 Member`s Gallery Posts: 797	Last truck races on Brands Hatch where we won the last race with the number 44 Balck Jack Volvo truck. Mid end power on this engine is there but still need some work done on getting the intake air temp down to get the EGT down. http://www.digitexvideo.co.uk/webtv/...s-hatch-final/

12-30-2013, 05:23 AM	#212
tall boy Name: tall boy Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2012 Member`s Gallery Posts: 797	A sneak preview of the New Scania Torpedo V8 we are building. The new build is made possible by all our sponsors donating load of parts and so far we can proceed with the build almost empty walled. There is not yet a date set when this project will be ready but all team members are putting in a lot of time and effort and so far we did not see any delays.

12-30-2013, 04:01 PM	#216
SmokinCAT Name: SmokinCAT Title: Cheap and Easy. Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hillsboro, Oh Member`s Gallery Posts: 3,162	Still can't get over the fact that they let you guys run those tires over there.

12-30-2013, 07:23 PM	#219
SmokinCAT Name: SmokinCAT Title: Cheap and Easy. Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hillsboro, Oh Member`s Gallery Posts: 3,162	We aren't allowed to run anything that isn't DOT legal so it keeps that type of tire out of competition.