So Why arent More Pullers Doing it???? - Competition Diesel.Com

Bosshawg600 · 07-25-2010, 09:04 PM

Well, funds arent exactly there to realy get my new Puller build into high gear....so with all the down time on the truck, I have a lot of different ideas rolling around about how to build it.

So one thought Ive been having is putting in a DT466 into my 1st gen body. Its no secret that these motors can make WAY more power than a 5.9 cummins can right now, but what is secret is how to get that power!!!

But with that being said, why arent more pullers using the DT motors? I know in almost all Orgs that going to bump them up into a 3.0 but most likly Mods.

With my build, i stated with the idea of making something fun to pull with. I got way over my head on the last build and it crashed down on me and wasnt any fun anymore. So with this one, its all for fun. I mainly plan to run local Fair open classes and just go around and hook for the heck of it. If I go with a DT its not going to be a full blown 2500hp motor, just something in the 6-700 range most likely single turbo and if I can make more than that...great! And i mainly choose the DT to be differnt and have some fun. I think it would be pretty cool to see a DT motor sitting in a 1st gen body! But there is ZERO information out there to do this! All the sled pullers out there that know the DT motors and VERY tight lipped, and even the places that sell parts dont list them!!!

Should I even attempt this as a fun puller or just stick with a 12v?

roachie · 07-25-2010, 09:10 PM

My guess is because most rules say "factory 1 ton or less truck engines"

98xtremcummins · 07-25-2010, 09:12 PM

I would say thats right around here it has to be 1 ton and smaller.

Bosshawg600 · 07-25-2010, 09:14 PM

But do Mod truck classes say that? Or do they go with a Cube rule?

Also, If I do it, Im not trying to fit in a 2.6 or 3.0 class. Just the Run what ra brung classes, seems there are a lot more of these types of hooks that 2.6 classes!

zstroken · 07-25-2010, 09:16 PM

I think 460 is the limit in most mod classes.

MissouriHooker · 07-25-2010, 09:18 PM

I think its cube, Ohio cat runs (dont quote me) I think, a 5.9, but its not a factory block,

CT2500 · 07-25-2010, 09:20 PM

if there is a cube rule than use a DT414 or DT436.

Bosshawg600 · 07-25-2010, 09:31 PM

NADM Rules are kinda Grey on the issue, says you can run them but will encure a penilty (i.e. hitch height, tire size, and weight)

Im not building a Mod truck by any means, but atleast if I wanted to go to a big show with a DT466 I could pull in that class.....highly out gunned though.......

kjpcummins · 07-25-2010, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CT2500

if there is a cube rule than use a DT414 or DT436.

Just because the block stamp says xxxci doesnt me thats what it is. A DT408 isnt a 408. Theres no reason you couldnt use a dt466 just would need the correct sleeves and pistons. They would have to pump the motor to check the cubic inch. It is alot cheaper to build a higher hp 5.9 than a dt466.

ILLINOISRAM · 07-25-2010, 09:54 PM

A motor out of a 966, or 1066 size tractor are 414 cubes. Then we put the truck pistons and crank in them to make them 466.

Bosshawg600 · 07-26-2010, 03:30 AM

With out a doubt, The biggest reason right now Im not jumping on doing a DT466 in my puller is....well.....I cant find ANYTHING on geting any power out of these motors anywere!!!! I know I can easily get a 12v to were I want, which isnt too wild, and the fact that I just want to pull for fun, I have an open slate as to what I can do with it.

But all in all, I chose the 1st gen to be a bit different. So why not a DT? Its different, and can probably be a ton of fun to take around and pull with! I mean, come on, how cool would it be to see a 1st gen Ext Cab DRW with a decent running DT under the hood????

ILLINOISRAM · 07-26-2010, 06:59 AM

power is easy. You just need to decied which pump to run wether a rotory or a inline which starts with where you source your motor from. I have some number if you are interested in this build.

wint · 07-26-2010, 07:08 AM

here bosshawg

DT-360 Conversion in progress - Powerstroke Nation

not for a 466 but all the parts basically swap over. hope that helps.
also another guy is doing the same but in a ford

The 466 has been bought! - Powerstroke Nation

madmatt · 07-26-2010, 07:10 AM

all rules I've seen for sanctioned pulls state a block based on a factory available engine in 1 ton or less pickup trucks and 460 cu in max. The Ohio cat truck is considered "factory based" because it can swing a stock crank.

CNeubauer · 07-26-2010, 11:33 AM

If you go to some tractor pulling forums you should be able to find plenty of info on building a DT-466 and it shouldn't take too much to get to 700hp. Places like Schieds and Hypermax got were playing with those engines 20 years before they started on the 5.9 so theres tons of resouces available. I forget the name of the place but there is a company that has or at least had a bolt on kit that would take the 400 series block out to 570 cubic inches.

lubeowner · 07-26-2010, 11:58 AM

Spend some time on pulloff and I bet you will find a good running tractor motor that you can drop in cheaper then you can dream of building it this fall.

Silver6spd · 07-27-2010, 05:28 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OZqI...=youtube_gdata

4x4dually · 07-27-2010, 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silver6spd

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OZqI...=youtube_gdata

Might as well just drag it to the house.

Sweet.

pwrstrokenstang · 07-27-2010, 06:18 PM

wipe out has a 670ci kit for em.

Bosshawg600 · 07-28-2010, 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wint

here bosshawg

DT-360 Conversion in progress - Powerstroke Nation

not for a 466 but all the parts basically swap over. hope that helps.
also another guy is doing the same but in a ford

The 466 has been bought! - Powerstroke Nation

Def got a lot of reading ahead of me!!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by lubeowner

Spend some time on pulloff and I bet you will find a good running tractor motor that you can drop in cheaper then you can dream of building it this fall.

Im on there quite a bit, and they do have a few for sale. Got a 5K RPM fully built motor on there now for 4500......... Too bad the info isnt there at all. I know there are a ton of guys on there that can get me over what I want for less than I want to spend!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by pwrstrokenstang

wipe out has a 670ci kit for em.

And those are what....7 grand??? WAY more than I want to spend!!!!!!

As of right now, i got a deal in the works for a 97 rolling chassis 1 ton. If that goes through I am for sure going with a DT466!!! lets just hope it comes through like it sounds!!!!

07-25-2010, 09:04 PM	#1
Bosshawg600 Name: Bosshawg600 Title: PDP.com FireFighter Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Monticello,In Member`s Gallery Posts: 3,651	So Why arent More Pullers Doing it???? Well, funds arent exactly there to realy get my new Puller build into high gear....so with all the down time on the truck, I have a lot of different ideas rolling around about how to build it. So one thought Ive been having is putting in a DT466 into my 1st gen body. Its no secret that these motors can make WAY more power than a 5.9 cummins can right now, but what is secret is how to get that power!!! But with that being said, why arent more pullers using the DT motors? I know in almost all Orgs that going to bump them up into a 3.0 but most likly Mods. With my build, i stated with the idea of making something fun to pull with. I got way over my head on the last build and it crashed down on me and wasnt any fun anymore. So with this one, its all for fun. I mainly plan to run local Fair open classes and just go around and hook for the heck of it. If I go with a DT its not going to be a full blown 2500hp motor, just something in the 6-700 range most likely single turbo and if I can make more than that...great! And i mainly choose the DT to be differnt and have some fun. I think it would be pretty cool to see a DT motor sitting in a 1st gen body! But there is ZERO information out there to do this! All the sled pullers out there that know the DT motors and VERY tight lipped, and even the places that sell parts dont list them!!! Should I even attempt this as a fun puller or just stick with a 12v? __________________ 2011 Ram Mega, Because my old bones need Comfort!

07-25-2010, 09:10 PM	#2
roachie Name: roachie Title: Taco Master Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: East TN Member`s Gallery Posts: 11,133	My guess is because most rules say "factory 1 ton or less truck engines" __________________ 99 F250____sold (to a ninja) 01 F250____Mexican F150 04 F350____Fat boy

07-25-2010, 09:14 PM	#4
Bosshawg600 Name: Bosshawg600 Title: PDP.com FireFighter Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Monticello,In Member`s Gallery Posts: 3,651	But do Mod truck classes say that? Or do they go with a Cube rule? Also, If I do it, Im not trying to fit in a 2.6 or 3.0 class. Just the Run what ra brung classes, seems there are a lot more of these types of hooks that 2.6 classes! __________________ 2011 Ram Mega, Because my old bones need Comfort!

07-25-2010, 09:16 PM	#5
zstroken Name: zstroken Title: For $$$ your name here Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Western Michigan(by the lake) Member`s Gallery Posts: 23,151	I think 460 is the limit in most mod classes. __________________ 2008 4x4 Megacab, 68RFE 97 Dodge gone.... 24V P-Pump Mafia member #1(retired) Thanks to Mumau Diesel, Goerend Transmission, Northeast Diesel Service!

07-25-2010, 09:18 PM	#6
MissouriHooker Name: MissouriHooker Title: Hookin is best Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Missouri Member`s Gallery Posts: 493	I think its cube, Ohio cat runs (dont quote me) I think, a 5.9, but its not a factory block, __________________ Black 03 QC 1 ton srw, Floor It stg 3.5, HTT 66-16-74 w/ss housing, Flux something, custom helix cam, custom stainless intake runner and header, custom stainless air intake, SB smarty,

07-25-2010, 09:12 PM	#3
98xtremcummins Name: 98xtremcummins Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Fall Creek, Wi Member`s Gallery Posts: 677	I would say thats right around here it has to be 1 ton and smaller.

07-25-2010, 09:20 PM	#7
CT2500 Name: CT2500 Title: Diesel Enthusiast Status: Not Here Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: wallingford,CT Member`s Gallery Posts: 158	if there is a cube rule than use a DT414 or DT436. __________________ Tow Rig 2011 chevy 3500HD LML cc/lb PPEI tuned puller 2001 2.6 "The Downhill". -Scott

07-25-2010, 09:31 PM	#8
Bosshawg600 Name: Bosshawg600 Title: PDP.com FireFighter Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Monticello,In Member`s Gallery Posts: 3,651	NADM Rules are kinda Grey on the issue, says you can run them but will encure a penilty (i.e. hitch height, tire size, and weight) Im not building a Mod truck by any means, but atleast if I wanted to go to a big show with a DT466 I could pull in that class.....highly out gunned though....... __________________ 2011 Ram Mega, Because my old bones need Comfort!

07-25-2010, 09:54 PM	#10
ILLINOISRAM Name: ILLINOISRAM Title: INLINE INSANITY Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Lane IL Member`s Gallery Posts: 2,891	A motor out of a 966, or 1066 size tractor are 414 cubes. Then we put the truck pistons and crank in them to make them 466. __________________ 99 DODGE 2500 P-PUMP 24v. Hamilton valvetrain, Northeast Diesel fuel and alot of other parts put together.

07-26-2010, 03:30 AM	#11
Bosshawg600 Name: Bosshawg600 Title: PDP.com FireFighter Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Monticello,In Member`s Gallery Posts: 3,651	With out a doubt, The biggest reason right now Im not jumping on doing a DT466 in my puller is....well.....I cant find ANYTHING on geting any power out of these motors anywere!!!! I know I can easily get a 12v to were I want, which isnt too wild, and the fact that I just want to pull for fun, I have an open slate as to what I can do with it. But all in all, I chose the 1st gen to be a bit different. So why not a DT? Its different, and can probably be a ton of fun to take around and pull with! I mean, come on, how cool would it be to see a 1st gen Ext Cab DRW with a decent running DT under the hood???? __________________ 2011 Ram Mega, Because my old bones need Comfort!

07-26-2010, 06:59 AM	#12
ILLINOISRAM Name: ILLINOISRAM Title: INLINE INSANITY Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Lane IL Member`s Gallery Posts: 2,891	power is easy. You just need to decied which pump to run wether a rotory or a inline which starts with where you source your motor from. I have some number if you are interested in this build. __________________ 99 DODGE 2500 P-PUMP 24v. Hamilton valvetrain, Northeast Diesel fuel and alot of other parts put together.

07-26-2010, 07:08 AM	#13
wint Name: wint Title: Rookie Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Scipio, IN Member`s Gallery Posts: 17	here bosshawg DT-360 Conversion in progress - Powerstroke Nation not for a 466 but all the parts basically swap over. hope that helps. also another guy is doing the same but in a ford The 466 has been bought! - Powerstroke Nation

07-26-2010, 07:10 AM	#14
madmatt Name: madmatt Title: Diesel Enthusiast Status: Not Here Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Southern Indiana Member`s Gallery Posts: 213	all rules I've seen for sanctioned pulls state a block based on a factory available engine in 1 ton or less pickup trucks and 460 cu in max. The Ohio cat truck is considered "factory based" because it can swing a stock crank.

07-26-2010, 11:33 AM	#15
CNeubauer Name: CNeubauer Title: Rookie Status: Not Here Join Date: Dec 2007 Member`s Gallery Posts: 12	If you go to some tractor pulling forums you should be able to find plenty of info on building a DT-466 and it shouldn't take too much to get to 700hp. Places like Schieds and Hypermax got were playing with those engines 20 years before they started on the 5.9 so theres tons of resouces available. I forget the name of the place but there is a company that has or at least had a bolt on kit that would take the 400 series block out to 570 cubic inches.

07-26-2010, 11:58 AM	#16
lubeowner Name: lubeowner Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2006 Location: Platteville, WI Member`s Gallery Posts: 612	Spend some time on pulloff and I bet you will find a good running tractor motor that you can drop in cheaper then you can dream of building it this fall. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/user/lubeowner http://entertainment.webshots.com/ph...65538812rYOaDP

07-27-2010, 05:28 AM	#17
Silver6spd Name: Silver6spd Title: ____________ Status: Not Here Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: in a van down by the river Member`s Gallery Posts: 323	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OZqI...=youtube_gdata __________________ 04.5 regcab 4wd NV5600- '06 motor balanced, ported and polished, Enterprise Engine, Hamilton Cams, TC Diesel, Kennys pulling clutches, Engineered Diesel, Fluidampr, Extrude Honed '99 semi stock beater

07-27-2010, 06:18 PM	#19
pwrstrokenstang Name: pwrstrokenstang Title: oil burner pulling team Status: Not Here Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: staunton, va Member`s Gallery Posts: 355	wipe out has a 670ci kit for em. __________________ '96 F-250- just another 2.6 7.3l turd with way too much money under the hood.