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cumminsconvoy · 10-05-2009, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by wanabsledpuller

get cut tires in it,an open up the turbo rule,

Lol

you would think so but I think rwyb has the most rules

cumminsconvoy · 10-05-2009, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bulldog5.9

that was just to equal out the class

Yeah and no duals turn away alot of good diesel trucks ask scott blair or jermy denson to name a few

bulldog5.9 · 10-05-2009, 10:14 PM

whats the big deal to take the duals off? u did just fine this year pulling

cumminsconvoy · 10-05-2009, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bulldog5.9

whats the big deal to take the duals off? u did just fine this year pulling

I like to run duals its more foot print and its more power to the ground and its a pain to change my tires each week because everywhere else allow duals and why do ps get duals

nwpadmax · 10-05-2009, 10:36 PM

I haven't been around very long, but it seems to me like the guys who started RWYB were the gasser guys....so they deserve some respect.

The class has always been a balancing act. How else can you put big cube NA gassers against forced induction diesels? Oh yeah and you want a weight advantage? Oh yeah and you want duals?

Come on guys, get real.

cumminsconvoy · 10-05-2009, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by nwpadmax

I haven't been around very long, but it seems to me like the guys who started RWYB were the gasser guys....so they deserve some respect.

The class has always been a balancing act. How else can you put big cube NA gassers against forced induction diesels? Oh yeah and you want a weight advantage? Oh yeah and you want duals?

Come on guys, get real.

That's what I'm saying I don't want to run with the gas trucks that's why I would like to see ss rules and I don't want to mess up the pro stock class I know rick can't make a class for everyone but I think they need 3 diesel classes a 2.6, 3.0 andSS

nwpadmax · 10-05-2009, 11:25 PM

Oh, I get where you're coming from Wayne....sorry I took it the wrong way. Carry on!

Seeya Thursday?

rickFPP · 10-06-2009, 02:16 PM

OK. now the promoter's view. our clients (fairs) want a 'variety' show. some trucks - some tractors - some semis. they are not going to seriously look at an NADM style pull with four classes of diesel trucks. so we must be very careful as to how many truck classes we offer or else each class will only get six or seven hooks in the season.

IF we offer 2.6 and 3.0 and SStreet and RWYB, the clients will choose ONE of those and they will definitely go with the 'less expensive' class. guess what happens to the Super Street!!

for 2010 I see three classes for Diesels -2.6; ProStreet and RWYB. i see three classes for Gassers -Stock; Pro Street and RWYB.

RWYB is a very easy class to sell because it brings the very best of two different classes together for one purse structure. Fair like it - fans like it and the classes is very very competitive. - see canfield results!!!

these are all classes that can be sold and each of the classes should end up with ten or so hooks for points with USA-EAST.

now i have talked to Gene at NADM and we are certainly able to schedule an NADM Super Street class IF there is a demand for the class.

HIGH TECH RAM · 10-06-2009, 04:16 PM

I vote for 3 diesel classes
2.6
Superstreet(NADM)
and RWYB

BigB82789 · 10-06-2009, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by HIGH TECH RAM

I vote for 3 diesel classes
2.6
Superstreet(NADM)
and RWYB

2.6 With NADM rules. hanging weight and solid suspension. FPP has and will loose more trucks if they don't adopt these two rules...

bulldog5.9 · 10-06-2009, 06:17 PM

I go to most FPP pulls and there is never a lack of trucks in any classs.Why dont u show up and u will see.

JOHNBOY · 10-06-2009, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by cumminsconvoy

I like to run duals its more foot print and its more power to the ground and its a pain to change my tires each week because everywhere else allow duals and why do ps get duals

This is the trouble with the RWYB class. The old gasser guard prefers to outlaw stuff instead of step up. The reason duals are not allowed is that Drew ran them in 2006 and stomped the gassers. They outlawed the Duals to try to keep the beat downs from happening. The very next year Jeremy Davis was the Class of the field. He ran 36" STSs. Instead of stepping up they just came up with the 35" x 10.5" tire rule. The attitude of the gassers is bring the class down to them.

I think it is stupid that "Run What You Brung" with its open driveline runs less tire then PSD. Totally gay if you ask me. To me "RWYB" should have cut tires with its open driveline. It is Run What You Brung Bring lots.

If PSD goes open you will not see Diesels in RWYB IMHO. The engine rules are the same. The only thing seperating RWYB from PSD is the driveline. Remove that and no diesels in RWYB because of the gasser driven rules.

To me RWYB needs to get rid of the stupid tire rules. Bring on the cuts.

rawdog · 10-06-2009, 07:02 PM

This is the trouble with the RWYB class. The old gasser guard prefers to outlaw stuff instead of step up. The reason duals are not allowed is that Drew ran them in 2006 and stomped the gassers. They outlawed the Duals to try to keep the beat downs from happening. The very next year Jeremy Davis was the Class of the field. He ran 36" STSs. Instead of stepping up they just came up with the 35" x 10.5" tire rule. The attitude of the gassers is bring the class down to them.

I think it is stupid that "Run What You Brung" with its open driveline runs less tire then PSD. Totally gay if you ask me. To me "RWYB" should have cut tires with its open driveline. It is Run What You Brung Bring lots.

If PSD goes open you will not see Diesels in RWYB IMHO. The engine rules are the same. The only thing seperating RWYB from PSD is the driveline. Remove that and no diesels in RWYB because of the gasser driven rules.

To me RWYB needs to get rid of the stupid tire rules. Bring on the cuts.
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run what ya brung and hope you brought enough.christ there are pulls in o.h. that pose the gassere with the mod diesels and it is neck and neck.my point being,sounds like the gassers need to step it up in that class.you cant tell me they wont want to run cut tires.

JOHNBOY · 10-06-2009, 07:42 PM

Maybe the answer is to give the middle ground gas guys some place to go. Like a Pro Stock Gas class. Not all gasser dont want cuts. There is a huge step between Street Gas and RWYB. a 'tweener class might be an idea to think about.

HIGH TECH RAM · 10-06-2009, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BigB82789

2.6 With NADM rules. hanging weight and solid suspension. FPP has and will loose more trucks if they don't adopt these two rules...

I agree 100%

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Originally Posted by bulldog5.9

I go to most FPP pulls and there is never a lack of trucks in any classs.Why dont u show up and u will see.

There also tons of competitve trucks that pull multiple times a week and refuse to pull with FPP due to the 2" travel and no hanging weight rules. You get rid of those and the competition will get a lot more fierce. IMO

bulldog5.9 · 10-06-2009, 07:51 PM

well thats there choice

cboycadi · 10-06-2009, 08:46 PM

hey john they have already added a pro street gas for 2010.

cumminsconvoy · 10-07-2009, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JOHNBOY

This is the trouble with the RWYB class. The old gasser guard prefers to outlaw stuff instead of step up. The reason duals are not allowed is that Drew ran them in 2006 and stomped the gassers. They outlawed the Duals to try to keep the beat downs from happening. The very next year Jeremy Davis was the Class of the field. He ran 36" STSs. Instead of stepping up they just came up with the 35" x 10.5" tire rule. The attitude of the gassers is bring the class down to them.

I think it is stupid that "Run What You Brung" with its open driveline runs less tire then PSD. Totally gay if you ask me. To me "RWYB" should have cut tires with its open driveline. It is Run What You Brung Bring lots.

If PSD goes open you will not see Diesels in RWYB IMHO. The engine rules are the same. The only thing seperating RWYB from PSD is the driveline. Remove that and no diesels in RWYB because of the gasser driven rules.

To me RWYB needs to get rid of the stupid tire rules. Bring on the cuts.

at least give us duals not stupid 35"x10.5 single

bulldog5.9 · 10-07-2009, 01:34 PM

duals or cuts

wanabsledpuller · 10-07-2009, 05:07 PM

I Think More Gasser Boys Want Cut Tires ,then You Think,AN THROW THAT 3.0 OUT OF THE WINDOW,YOU DONT NEED THAT,THAT CLASS YOUR NOT ALOUD TO RUN TWINS,I'M NOT REFERING TO ME,YOU HAVE A FEW PROSTOCK TRUCKS THAT HAVE THEM,AN THEY DO COME TO THE PULLS,IF YOU GO NADM SUPERSTREET,THAT WILL STILL KEEP THE SINGLE CHARGERS AN THE 3.2 TWINS

10-05-2009, 10:36 PM	#25
nwpadmax Name: nwpadmax Title: Turbo Geek Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Out in the shop Member`s Gallery Posts: 3,128	I haven't been around very long, but it seems to me like the guys who started RWYB were the gasser guys....so they deserve some respect. The class has always been a balancing act. How else can you put big cube NA gassers against forced induction diesels? Oh yeah and you want a weight advantage? Oh yeah and you want duals? Come on guys, get real. __________________ "What I said does equate too what can happen....Alote."

10-05-2009, 11:25 PM	#27
nwpadmax Name: nwpadmax Title: Turbo Geek Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Out in the shop Member`s Gallery Posts: 3,128	Oh, I get where you're coming from Wayne....sorry I took it the wrong way. Carry on! Seeya Thursday? __________________ "What I said does equate too what can happen....Alote."

10-06-2009, 04:16 PM	#29
HIGH TECH RAM Name: HIGH TECH RAM Title: Haters! Status: Not Here Join Date: Jul 2007 Member`s Gallery Posts: 2,857	I vote for 3 diesel classes 2.6 Superstreet(NADM) and RWYB __________________ 08 3500 LMM Compounds,40's and some other stuff Tuned by Blackout

10-07-2009, 05:07 PM	#40
wanabsledpuller Name: wanabsledpuller Title: Diesel Enthusiast Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: W.Pa Member`s Gallery Posts: 159	I Think More Gasser Boys Want Cut Tires ,then You Think,AN THROW THAT 3.0 OUT OF THE WINDOW,YOU DONT NEED THAT,THAT CLASS YOUR NOT ALOUD TO RUN TWINS,I'M NOT REFERING TO ME,YOU HAVE A FEW PROSTOCK TRUCKS THAT HAVE THEM,AN THEY DO COME TO THE PULLS,IF YOU GO NADM SUPERSTREET,THAT WILL STILL KEEP THE SINGLE CHARGERS AN THE 3.2 TWINS __________________ 06CHEVY 2500HD DMAX,05 3500 DODGE CUMMINS 6WHEELER,09 5500 DAULLY,CUMMINS POWERED,98 FRIEGHTSHAKER,an of course 02 3500 'RUNNIN IN THE RED'..ENGINE BUILT BY WOODRUFF DIESEL,DRIVE TRAIN DONE BY BURTON CHASSIS,PUMP BY COLUMBUS DIESEL Last edited by wanabsledpuller; 10-07-2009 at 05:13 PM.

10-05-2009, 10:14 PM	#23
bulldog5.9 Name: bulldog5.9 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Feb 2008 Member`s Gallery Posts: 693	whats the big deal to take the duals off? u did just fine this year pulling

10-06-2009, 02:16 PM	#28
rickFPP Name: rickFPP Title: Promoter USA-EAST Status: Not Here Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Western PA and South Florida Member`s Gallery Posts: 434	OK. now the promoter's view. our clients (fairs) want a 'variety' show. some trucks - some tractors - some semis. they are not going to seriously look at an NADM style pull with four classes of diesel trucks. so we must be very careful as to how many truck classes we offer or else each class will only get six or seven hooks in the season. IF we offer 2.6 and 3.0 and SStreet and RWYB, the clients will choose ONE of those and they will definitely go with the 'less expensive' class. guess what happens to the Super Street!! for 2010 I see three classes for Diesels -2.6; ProStreet and RWYB. i see three classes for Gassers -Stock; Pro Street and RWYB. RWYB is a very easy class to sell because it brings the very best of two different classes together for one purse structure. Fair like it - fans like it and the classes is very very competitive. - see canfield results!!! these are all classes that can be sold and each of the classes should end up with ten or so hooks for points with USA-EAST. now i have talked to Gene at NADM and we are certainly able to schedule an NADM Super Street class IF there is a demand for the class.

10-06-2009, 06:17 PM	#31
bulldog5.9 Name: bulldog5.9 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Feb 2008 Member`s Gallery Posts: 693	I go to most FPP pulls and there is never a lack of trucks in any classs.Why dont u show up and u will see.

10-06-2009, 07:02 PM	#33
rawdog Name: rawdog Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2007 Member`s Gallery Posts: 2,196	This is the trouble with the RWYB class. The old gasser guard prefers to outlaw stuff instead of step up. The reason duals are not allowed is that Drew ran them in 2006 and stomped the gassers. They outlawed the Duals to try to keep the beat downs from happening. The very next year Jeremy Davis was the Class of the field. He ran 36" STSs. Instead of stepping up they just came up with the 35" x 10.5" tire rule. The attitude of the gassers is bring the class down to them. I think it is stupid that "Run What You Brung" with its open driveline runs less tire then PSD. Totally gay if you ask me. To me "RWYB" should have cut tires with its open driveline. It is Run What You Brung Bring lots. If PSD goes open you will not see Diesels in RWYB IMHO. The engine rules are the same. The only thing seperating RWYB from PSD is the driveline. Remove that and no diesels in RWYB because of the gasser driven rules. To me RWYB needs to get rid of the stupid tire rules. Bring on the cuts. __________________ run what ya brung and hope you brought enough.christ there are pulls in o.h. that pose the gassere with the mod diesels and it is neck and neck.my point being,sounds like the gassers need to step it up in that class.you cant tell me they wont want to run cut tires.

10-06-2009, 07:51 PM	#36
bulldog5.9 Name: bulldog5.9 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Feb 2008 Member`s Gallery Posts: 693	well thats there choice

10-06-2009, 08:46 PM	#37
cboycadi Name: cboycadi Title: Diesel Pro Status: Not Here Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Kirtland,Ohio Member`s Gallery Posts: 754	hey john they have already added a pro street gas for 2010.

10-07-2009, 01:34 PM	#39
bulldog5.9 Name: bulldog5.9 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Feb 2008 Member`s Gallery Posts: 693	duals or cuts