First SS truck to the 8's

[2Tone12V]

Originally Posted by LAmiller

Correct. ANY heads up racing without power limitations ends up this way.

Super street trucks are just 1500lb heavier Pro Street Trucks with suspension limitations.

Pro Street: I don't see lowering the 4500lb minimum weight being beneficial. It would make the class all go 2wd or tube chassis. May as well build a Pro Mod truck at that point.

I think it would be better to let the Super Street Trucks drop into the Pro Street category and start a 10.0 index class (roll bar minimum) This would give you an index class at the fastest time allowed with just a roll bar and you'd see a lot of true hot street trucks gunning for the 10.0 class without having to pony up to go to an 8.50 cert, NHRA license, and try to keep a drivetrain together at 1600+HP.

Everyone complains about index racing, but the same people ***** about not being able to afford a the heads up classes and how they are out of reach for anyone without a shop/team.

Now you would have all the Pro Street and Super Street trucks in one pile and it would be a lot better racing with potential to have a 16 truck field at an ODSS race. (Rudy's spring 2016 was 13)

All the Super Street trucks that weren't competitive in the first place would bounce to the 10.0 index and should be able to go rounds in comparison to running all out every pass and should be fun racing for the spectators.

Lavon

Mixing SS and PS won't work. Being one of the competitive guys in SS I know in order to win in PS i need breakage to occur in the other lane. When us super street truck set the world on fire with these 8 second passes. Our 1/8 mile times are in the mid 5.7's and higher. Thats not cutting it in PS. Me personally having that kind of money in a truck and the goods under the hood. I'm not going to waste my time running a class that I'll only win if breakage happens in the other lane. On top of the fact that because I'm heavier i'm the more likely one to break. I have a love for a 4 wheel drive truck and just hope something can be squared away. Save the 4 wheel drive!

[Chris B]

Looks like we can all agree on one thing, none of us know the answer.

Ive kicked around going PS as im sure others have. But like anthony said, what is really the benefit right now? We already have a lot of $ and time tied up in our current trucks, and with the current SFI certs well spend a lot more money just to end up all jammed in to a 8.0 index essentially. Most all of us at the top of SS and PS are adrenaline junkies and want to run heads up balls to the wall, first to the line wins. So the way i see it, is if im going to spend the money and time to go to PS, why not just go to Pro Mod and be truly safer and have something that can go play at gas races/no preps too.

At least in PS, everyone is going to hit a cap and technology will catch up to the ET cap and stuff will start breaking less and maintenance will eventually start to decrease some. the Problem in SS is they are SO heavy, they wont hit the ET cap for a ways yet (or at least another 300-500hp from now) and at that point, stuff will be grenading every pass. Its going to run everyone off from the class completely if we keep on the current path.

[YOUNG GUNS15]

Originally Posted by LAmiller

Correct. ANY heads up racing without power limitations ends up this way.



Super street trucks are just 1500lb heavier Pro Street Trucks with suspension limitations.



Pro Street: I don't see lowering the 4500lb minimum weight being beneficial. It would make the class all go 2wd or tube chassis. May as well build a Pro Mod truck at that point.



I think it would be better to let the Super Street Trucks drop into the Pro Street category and start a 10.0 index class (roll bar minimum) This would give you an index class at the fastest time allowed with just a roll bar and you'd see a lot of true hot street trucks gunning for the 10.0 class without having to pony up to go to an 8.50 cert, NHRA license, and try to keep a drivetrain together at 1600+HP.



Everyone complains about index racing, but the same people ***** about not being able to afford a the heads up classes and how they are out of reach for anyone without a shop/team.



Now you would have all the Pro Street and Super Street trucks in one pile and it would be a lot better racing with potential to have a 16 truck field at an ODSS race. (Rudy's spring 2016 was 13)



All the Super Street trucks that weren't competitive in the first place would bounce to the 10.0 index and should be able to go rounds in comparison to running all out every pass and should be fun racing for the spectators.



Lavon

I like this idea a lot actually. This is exactly where my street truck would fall in the grand scheme of things. I can't even fathom playing with the boys in SS since the big guys are toting low 9's.


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[LAmiller]

Originally Posted by 2Tone12V

Mixing SS and PS won't work. Being one of the competitive guys in SS I know in order to win in PS i need breakage to occur in the other lane. When us super street truck set the world on fire with these 8 second passes. Our 1/8 mile times are in the mid 5.7's and higher. Thats not cutting it in PS. Me personally having that kind of money in a truck and the goods under the hood. I'm not going to waste my time running a class that I'll only win if breakage happens in the other lane. On top of the fact that because I'm heavier i'm the more likely one to break. I have a love for a 4 wheel drive truck and just hope something can be squared away. Save the 4 wheel drive!

I'm not talking about joining them and running 6000lb trucks against 4500lb trucks, your truck is a back half and fiberglass away from a competitive pro Street truck, it would not be a crazy investment to turn the current SS trucks that have been 8s into a PS truck.

[Woosley]

But, there already is an index class, that is a good entry level for anybody that has pro street goals, but needs a reality check into what it takes to keep going round after round at just a 1000 horsepower range.

[07ram5.9]

I say put limits on engine power somehow like maybe turbo size and configurations and only one stage. I come from the Honda game and in the street class you actually have to have a true street car. They even tested your fuel to make sure you're not running a higher octane than what's allowed. I like true heads up classes and we all know just because you are the fastest doesn't mean you'll win but it needs to be competitive.

[sootie]

Originally Posted by 07ram5.9

I say put limits on engine power somehow like maybe turbo size and configurations and only one stage. I come from the Honda game and in the street class you actually have to have a true street car. They even tested your fuel to make sure you're not running a higher octane than what's allowed. I like true heads up classes and we all know just because you are the fastest doesn't mean you'll win but it needs to be competitive.

That's when you run E85, less octane, more powah

[SPEEDSHIFT]

Originally Posted by sootie

That's when you run E85, less octane, more powah

E85 is 100+ octane.

[07ram5.9]

Originally Posted by sootie

That's when you run E85, less octane, more powah

E85 is a high octane fuel. E85 at the pump is like 100 +/- because it's mixed with 91 gas. E85 is a less powerful fuel and that's why it takes so much more fuel to run.

[BIGRPOWR]

Originally Posted by 07ram5.9

E85 is a high octane fuel. E85 at the pump is like 100 +/- because it's mixed with 91 gas. E85 is a less powerful fuel and that's why it takes so much more fuel to run.

E85 makes more power in my car than MS109 . Sweet derail !