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12-17-2009, 12:23 PM
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Name: Joesixpack
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This is partly speculation on my part but from what I've read from bosch the solenoid is faster acting, and the control end of the injector is standing up better. Look in the forums very few failing c
ompared to that inglorious bastard CRIN1.6 injector.
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12-17-2009, 12:42 PM
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Name: Soup Nazi
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The control side is faster. It has less area to fill. A smaller control chamber and everything is lower in mass.
The problem is currently the nozzle available is a 146 degrees. Not good for a 04.5+. For you - the mono Mahles would be great for this injector.
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12-17-2009, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Soup Nazi
The control side is faster. It has less area to fill. A smaller control chamber and everything is lower in mass.
The problem is currently the nozzle available is a 146 degrees. Not good for a 04.5+. For you - the mono Mahles would be great for this injector.
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Yeah that's exactly what I'm thinking.
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12-17-2009, 01:30 PM
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I heard that bosh has changed things around for the 5.9 injectors again and are shipping non SS bodies with new orders for replacement injectors.
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12-17-2009, 05:25 PM
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Name: 5150ram
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Here are some pictures of the 6.7 head and injectors.
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12-17-2009, 05:28 PM
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The pics are 6.7 head, 5.9 head, 5.9 injector in 5.9 head, and 6.7 injector in 5.9 head. It looks like they would fit but would require some machining to fit.
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12-17-2009, 09:08 PM
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Thanks for the photo's! I'll be able to get to work.
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12-17-2009, 10:12 PM
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not to get off of the topic,hey 5150 i sent you a pm
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02-04-2010, 05:47 PM
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Name: StainlessRRA
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I'm going to attempt the same thing. Can I swap the tips off my 03 injector onto a 6.7 injector?
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02-04-2010, 05:59 PM
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No... Different pintle design among other changes.
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02-04-2010, 06:16 PM
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No... Different pintle design among other changes.
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But 6.7s run the same spray angle as a 03 correct? So I could just hone them?
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Originally Posted by wideopen
It would have helped if the picture didn't look like a Helen Keller Painting.
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02-04-2010, 06:49 PM
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5 degree difference in spray angle I think. The bowl is wider on the 6.7 piston (although the same design as an 03-04). It's close enough that I think an 03 injector in a 6.7 engine should be fine (like what I am going to do - with 03 electronics).
I was told that the pintle is much lighter in a 6.7 injector (moving parts are smaller too) and that it was a balancing act by the solenoid to operate the pintle correctly. You change the weight of the moving parts and the timing of the pintle opening and closing would be off from the factory specs and could cause problems. This is also assuming you could machine the parts as necessary to make an earlier nozzle/pintle fit onto a later injector.
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02-04-2010, 06:59 PM
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146 degrees on a stock 6.7 nozzle 144 degrees on a 03-04 nozzle if I remember right.
I think the jury is still out on if a 5.9 ecu runs them....Zach said he's done it.
I'm still waiting on my CRIN3's from Bosch, but I'm going to try it with the stock ecu for kicks.
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02-05-2010, 12:27 AM
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I'll be finding out here shortly, hopefully next weekend we're going to attempt to fit the 6.7 injectors in my 03 head. I'm fairly confident it will work. I've been wanting a 6.7 block to do the same thing GOT-Torque, that will be an amazing motor! Once I can afford it' I'll do it.
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02-05-2010, 12:28 AM
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How did Zach fit 05 nozzles on a 6.7 injector?
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02-05-2010, 08:38 AM
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How did Zach fit 05 nozzles on a 6.7 injector?
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Not the nozzles the complete 6.7 injectors. I know you have to machine the 6.7 hold downs to work for your 5.9 head.
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02-08-2010, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Hamilton Cams
I try to run the 6.7 injectors on all of my builds these days 5.9 or 6.7l. I have not had a single one fail in about 2 years of service or rather 2 years of straight abuse. On the 04.5 and up guys I machine .040" off of the head to put the injector deeper in the bowl and they work fine with the piston design, hold downs and the electronics. All of the ones I have tried OHM out to the same resistance as 5.9 injectors even if the actuator is different the function is the same. They are without a doubt the cleanest performance injector I have seen. On the H2 vs. 181/210 comparison I used the 6.7l injectors on an '06 5.9l with an E.D. 66mm with an external gate. Fuel wise it had a smarty tnt-r, mp-8, and a bag of parts. It ended up making 760 I think after some tuning. And btw after the initial spoolup it was smoke free!
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Whoa, stock 6.7 tips? If not what hp rating? Being that I have the same bowl design no maching is needed correct? The 2 degree spray patter difference is no concern is it? I'm going to attempt to toss them in my 03 this weekend.
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02-08-2010, 05:42 PM
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Name: apocalypse1812
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So if i follow this correctly, I can put a set of 5.9 injectors into my 6.7? and If I can do this, What other mods would be required?
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02-08-2010, 05:57 PM
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So if i follow this correctly, I can put a set of 5.9 injectors into my 6.7? and If I can do this, What other mods would be required?
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I wouldnt do it I think the advantage is for 5.9 guys to run 6.7 injectors, last longer and if Im not mistakig I can get them for a hell of alot cheaper..lol
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02-08-2010, 10:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by StainlessRRA
Whoa, stock 6.7 tips? If not what hp rating? Being that I have the same bowl design no maching is needed correct? The 2 degree spray patter difference is no concern is it? I'm going to attempt to toss them in my 03 this weekend.
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I can't wait to hear if it works for you. If it does, it will save me a ton of cash...
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