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06-10-2016, 02:12 PM
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Name: 12valve
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P-Pump a 6.7
Hello, its not the first time that we've done a ppump on a 24 valve,
but this time customer is wanting a ppump going on a 6.7.
Are there bigger perfromance injectors for this application? a company that works with this?
And how do i go about the front gear cover, looks like the one for a 24valve( vp44) wont work.
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06-10-2016, 02:21 PM
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Name: AHall
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06-10-2016, 02:50 PM
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Name: Marq92
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Scheid is another option. I like how they're cover looks like the stock one.
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06-10-2016, 10:34 PM
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Name: Exodus
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Buy a metric transfer punch set, put the 12 valve case on block, transfer holes, drill and tap. Or spend huge money on a billet cover.
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06-10-2016, 10:49 PM
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Name: Mark Nixon
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LORDDiESEL
Buy a metric transfer punch set, put the 12 valve case on block, transfer holes, drill and tap. Or spend huge money on a billet cover.
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Even a monkey with a welder and a drill can do this.
You'll also need METRIC drill bits and taps, to do it "correct".
The trickiest part is changing the crank gear and fabbing an insert for the front of the pan.
Here's a few pics in a Photobucket account I forgot I still had of this, showing some points.
Mark.
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Last edited by Mark Nixon; 06-10-2016 at 10:55 PM.
Reason: Metric tool comments.
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06-11-2016, 12:14 AM
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Name: Exodus
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Nixon
Even a monkey with a welder and a drill can do this.
You'll also need METRIC drill bits and taps, to do it "correct".
The trickiest part is changing the crank gear and fabbing an insert for the front of the pan.
Here's a few pics in a Photobucket account I forgot I still had of this, showing some points.
Commechanical Conversion by Mark Nixon | Photobucket
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Thanks buddy. I have this job coming up pretty quick. It's going to be a nice F550 
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06-15-2016, 11:03 PM
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Name: 12valve
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Where to get injectors ?
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06-15-2016, 11:21 PM
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Name: Mark Nixon
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Use the OEM VP spray angle.
The 6.7 bowl is actually larger in circumference than a VP, so it still hits the bowl.
The 1 engine I had was put together with a VP cylinder head, so a VE or a P-7100 will clear the head without cutting off the shelf.
Mark.
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Last edited by Mark Nixon; 06-15-2016 at 11:23 PM.
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06-16-2016, 08:44 AM
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Name: CorneliusRox
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I've never done a 24v ppump swap, but if you're modifying the timing case, could you just rotate the ppump mounting holes and rotate it out of the way of the 6.7 head shelf?
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06-16-2016, 08:48 AM
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Name: 9724VF350
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I know this name is a sore subject for some, But Monster Mike was cutting the bottom off a p pump housing, putting it in a jig, and welding a new bottom piece on that he makes. The dowel pins, bolts, and oil pan then fit perfectly.
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09-21-2016, 12:18 AM
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Name: 12valve
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Any place you recommend in special to get the vp injectors?
Just have to modify pop off pressure then?
Or is there more to it?
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Raptor Fuel Pump, 215 pump, no plate, Haisley 5K GSK, modded afc with spring kit, PDD 7mm DVs, Haley 5x.016 injectors, ARP head studs, 60lb valve springs, Southbend clutch.
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09-21-2016, 07:22 AM
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Name: jlbayes
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 12valve
Any place you recommend in special to get the vp injectors?
Just have to modify pop off pressure then?
Or is there more to it?
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I like the sets I have run from Infinite. Lots of options for vp injectors and just as many opinions on what pop pressure to run. I have run vp pop pressure with a ppump....it works just fine.
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09-21-2016, 02:55 PM
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Name: RonA
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As someone that has had this done, I can honestly say it is a waste. P-pump 24V = good idea, p-pump 6.7 not so much.
RonA
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09-21-2016, 03:06 PM
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Name: WUnderwood
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Could you go into more details, Ron?
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09-21-2016, 03:22 PM
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Name: 56cummins
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I would like to build one for the same reason I believe Ron did, spool the chargers better/less smoke at same power. Wasn't worth the hassle?
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09-21-2016, 05:12 PM
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Name: zstroken
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RonA
As someone that has had this done, I can honestly say it is a waste. P-pump 24V = good idea, p-pump 6.7 not so much.
RonA
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I agree with Ron, I put one together and it would be money better spent, in a good Ppump, good injectors, good turbo, good cam and good head.
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09-22-2016, 07:34 AM
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Name: Mark Nixon
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This stands to reason, a 6.7 isn't a high RPM engine and a P-7100 shines at high RPMs.
Mark.
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Anarchy: The state of existence where there are no masters & no slaves. Therefore, Anarchy means the ABSENCE OF SLAVERY, or, in other words, FREEDOM.
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09-22-2016, 08:03 AM
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Name: 97rada
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RonA
As someone that has had this done, I can honestly say it is a waste. P-pump 24V = good idea, p-pump 6.7 not so much.
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Just curious, what is your reasoning ?
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09-22-2016, 01:41 PM
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Name: zstroken
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 97rada
Just curious, what is your reasoning ?
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Cost to benefit isn't there, money better spent in better fuelling, air delivery etc.
Will a 6.7 spool chargers better? Yep! but not cheap to do it.
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09-22-2016, 02:00 PM
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Name: SledPuller21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Nixon
This stands to reason, a 6.7 isn't a high RPM engine and a P-7100 shines at high RPMs.
Mark.
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I would like to hear your reasoning as to why a 6.7 isn't a high rpm engine? We turn them harder than 5.9s. Also a properly tuned p-pumped will drive with good street manners, piss poor tuning and setups give p-pumps a bad name for street driving.
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