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dbshelton · 03-17-2017, 08:57 PM

OK, I've been driving the 1996 Ford Shuttle Bus for a year or so and think maybe it could use a little more power. It runs great, but I wonder what the next step would be. Current configuration: 1991.5 intercooled 12 valve, HE351 turbo, Hungry Diesel fuel pin, 3200 Governor springs, 60# valve springs, 4" exhaust, stock lift pump and injectors, 5R110 Ford automatic trans, 3.73 rear gears, 13,200 pounds loaded. The thing is shaped like a brick, so it gets about 12-13 mpg. Still have a M & H timing spacer I never installed.
Are a little larger injectors next? Just asking for ideas and tips. I don't want to screw up things.

1972RedNeck · 03-17-2017, 10:34 PM

Do you have the fuel screw maxed out? If not, do it. If yes, get a longer fuel screw.

dbshelton · 03-18-2017, 06:49 AM

Thanks. Guess I need to look into tuning this thing. Is there a good set of instructions on turning the VE pump up? Found something on Dodgeram.org.

dbshelton · 03-25-2017, 08:45 AM

Is the need for more fuel the reason why even with the boost elbow closed off I can only get 20# of boost?
Curious, how much horsepower will the stock injectors support?

f6jbob · 03-25-2017, 11:47 AM

It could be a fuel delivery problem. How much psi to the ve pump do you have.

dbshelton · 03-25-2017, 05:23 PM

Don't know. Where is a good place to add a gauge?

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f6jbob · 03-26-2017, 01:27 PM

I'm not familiar with ve pumps but I assume there's a banjo bolt on fuel line to pump. Drill the bolt for 1/8 plug and get your reading there. Read up on fuel pressure gauge installations. You'll need a snubber valve to absorb the fuel pulsations. The gauge doesn't need to be mounted permanently.

dbshelton · 03-27-2017, 06:18 AM

I'll look into that. Also been wanting to replace the lift pump with a piston type one. May also do that now. Thanks.

badbowtie · 03-27-2017, 08:09 AM

How did you reconfigure the wastegate on your he351? Sometimes lack of boost is a wastegate needing adjustment.

96 3500 5x018 7mm dvs 64.5sxe
90 d350

dbshelton · 03-27-2017, 08:34 PM

Added a plug and boost elbow.

Exodus · 03-27-2017, 09:25 PM

Do you use this for business? Sounds like a great ride!

Red Sleeper · 03-28-2017, 05:56 AM

No kidding.
Can we see pictures of said brick/bus?

dbshelton · 03-28-2017, 09:58 PM

I have a thread in the diesel conversion section. "1996 E Super Duty"

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badbowtie · 03-29-2017, 09:37 AM

I would suggest using shop air to actuate your wategste and test your system for boost leaks. At 20 psi what is your egt? What does your smoke trail look like?

96 3500 5x018 7mm dvs 64.5sxe
90 d350

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dbshelton · 03-30-2017, 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by badbowtie

I would suggest using shop air to actuate your wategste and test your system for boost leaks. At 20 psi what is your egt? What does your smoke trail look like?

96 3500 5x018 7mm dvs 64.5sxe
90 d350

I'll check this out, but pretty sure there are no leaks.
Now I don't get any smoke at all unless I let the rpm drop too low in 5th and try to accelerate and that goes away quickly when the boost builds.
Never seen EGT over 1100

badbowtie · 03-30-2017, 10:01 AM

That might just be all the fuel your pump settings are pushing then . That egt and no smoke means your pretty much burning all your putting out. You could turn the pump up quite a bit before you hit dangerous get levels.

96 3500 5x018 7mm dvs 64.5sxe
90 d350

dbshelton · 04-01-2017, 03:59 PM

Finally got the pump turned up a turn or so. Will see what it does tomorrow.

dbshelton · 06-28-2017, 11:21 AM

Just took the bus on a 2,000 mile trip. It was great until the for the first 1,400 miles, then the HE351 turbo took a crap. Does anyone know where I can buy a new Holset turbo reasonably?

dbshelton · 06-28-2017, 01:25 PM

Also, is there a good aftermarket replacement available for the HE351?

03-17-2017, 08:57 PM	#1
dbshelton Name: dbshelton Title: Diesel Enthusiast Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kountze,TX Member`s Gallery Posts: 134	1st Gen In Ford Bus OK, I've been driving the 1996 Ford Shuttle Bus for a year or so and think maybe it could use a little more power. It runs great, but I wonder what the next step would be. Current configuration: 1991.5 intercooled 12 valve, HE351 turbo, Hungry Diesel fuel pin, 3200 Governor springs, 60# valve springs, 4" exhaust, stock lift pump and injectors, 5R110 Ford automatic trans, 3.73 rear gears, 13,200 pounds loaded. The thing is shaped like a brick, so it gets about 12-13 mpg. Still have a M & H timing spacer I never installed. Are a little larger injectors next? Just asking for ideas and tips. I don't want to screw up things. __________________ 2004 (early) 2500 2wd QC, 50hp injectors, Holley Black pump, HTS valve body,DPC converter 1994 2500 2wd 5-speed RCLB, #5 Plate, 4k GSK, 60# Springs, 035 del. valves. 1996 Ford E-SuperDuty Bus, 1991.5 first gen, 5R110 trans, HE351, 3200GSK, THD pin

03-18-2017, 06:49 AM	#3
dbshelton Name: dbshelton Title: Diesel Enthusiast Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kountze,TX Member`s Gallery Posts: 134	Thanks. Guess I need to look into tuning this thing. Is there a good set of instructions on turning the VE pump up? Found something on Dodgeram.org. __________________ 2004 (early) 2500 2wd QC, 50hp injectors, Holley Black pump, HTS valve body,DPC converter 1994 2500 2wd 5-speed RCLB, #5 Plate, 4k GSK, 60# Springs, 035 del. valves. 1996 Ford E-SuperDuty Bus, 1991.5 first gen, 5R110 trans, HE351, 3200GSK, THD pin Last edited by dbshelton; 03-18-2017 at 06:50 AM.

03-25-2017, 08:45 AM	#4
dbshelton Name: dbshelton Title: Diesel Enthusiast Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kountze,TX Member`s Gallery Posts: 134	Is the need for more fuel the reason why even with the boost elbow closed off I can only get 20# of boost? Curious, how much horsepower will the stock injectors support? __________________ 2004 (early) 2500 2wd QC, 50hp injectors, Holley Black pump, HTS valve body,DPC converter 1994 2500 2wd 5-speed RCLB, #5 Plate, 4k GSK, 60# Springs, 035 del. valves. 1996 Ford E-SuperDuty Bus, 1991.5 first gen, 5R110 trans, HE351, 3200GSK, THD pin Last edited by dbshelton; 03-25-2017 at 08:47 AM.

03-25-2017, 11:47 AM	#5
f6jbob Name: f6jbob Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: western Wi. Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,153	It could be a fuel delivery problem. How much psi to the ve pump do you have. __________________ 2006 RCSB Dodge Goerend tranny and converter, Stainless Diesel twins and exhaust manifold, B&B intake manifold, T&C Diesel CP3, rail and dual prv, Hellman intercooler, Porting by Joker Fabrication, Isspro Performax gauges, AirDog fuel pump. Supported by Pure Diesel Power, Garmons Diesel Performance, Blacks Diesel Performance and above vendors.

03-25-2017, 05:23 PM	#6
dbshelton Name: dbshelton Title: Diesel Enthusiast Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kountze,TX Member`s Gallery Posts: 134	Don't know. Where is a good place to add a gauge? Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk __________________ 2004 (early) 2500 2wd QC, 50hp injectors, Holley Black pump, HTS valve body,DPC converter 1994 2500 2wd 5-speed RCLB, #5 Plate, 4k GSK, 60# Springs, 035 del. valves. 1996 Ford E-SuperDuty Bus, 1991.5 first gen, 5R110 trans, HE351, 3200GSK, THD pin

03-26-2017, 01:27 PM	#7
f6jbob Name: f6jbob Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: western Wi. Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,153	I'm not familiar with ve pumps but I assume there's a banjo bolt on fuel line to pump. Drill the bolt for 1/8 plug and get your reading there. Read up on fuel pressure gauge installations. You'll need a snubber valve to absorb the fuel pulsations. The gauge doesn't need to be mounted permanently. __________________ 2006 RCSB Dodge Goerend tranny and converter, Stainless Diesel twins and exhaust manifold, B&B intake manifold, T&C Diesel CP3, rail and dual prv, Hellman intercooler, Porting by Joker Fabrication, Isspro Performax gauges, AirDog fuel pump. Supported by Pure Diesel Power, Garmons Diesel Performance, Blacks Diesel Performance and above vendors. Last edited by f6jbob; 03-26-2017 at 01:33 PM. Reason: mo info

03-27-2017, 06:18 AM	#8
dbshelton Name: dbshelton Title: Diesel Enthusiast Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kountze,TX Member`s Gallery Posts: 134	I'll look into that. Also been wanting to replace the lift pump with a piston type one. May also do that now. Thanks. __________________ 2004 (early) 2500 2wd QC, 50hp injectors, Holley Black pump, HTS valve body,DPC converter 1994 2500 2wd 5-speed RCLB, #5 Plate, 4k GSK, 60# Springs, 035 del. valves. 1996 Ford E-SuperDuty Bus, 1991.5 first gen, 5R110 trans, HE351, 3200GSK, THD pin

03-27-2017, 08:09 AM	#9
badbowtie Name: badbowtie Title: custom engine daydreamer Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Plainfield IN Member`s Gallery Posts: 475	How did you reconfigure the wastegate on your he351? Sometimes lack of boost is a wastegate needing adjustment. 96 3500 5x018 7mm dvs 64.5sxe 90 d350 __________________ 1996 3500 4x4 5spd 1991 D350 5spd

03-27-2017, 08:34 PM	#10
dbshelton Name: dbshelton Title: Diesel Enthusiast Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kountze,TX Member`s Gallery Posts: 134	Added a plug and boost elbow. __________________ 2004 (early) 2500 2wd QC, 50hp injectors, Holley Black pump, HTS valve body,DPC converter 1994 2500 2wd 5-speed RCLB, #5 Plate, 4k GSK, 60# Springs, 035 del. valves. 1996 Ford E-SuperDuty Bus, 1991.5 first gen, 5R110 trans, HE351, 3200GSK, THD pin

03-27-2017, 09:25 PM	#11
Exodus Name: Exodus Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Oct 2010 Member`s Gallery Posts: 911	Do you use this for business? Sounds like a great ride!

03-28-2017, 05:56 AM	#12
Red Sleeper Name: Red Sleeper Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Lone Star State Member`s Gallery Posts: 4,595	No kidding. Can we see pictures of said brick/bus? __________________ Nick J '14 Silverado LTZ 5.3 4wd '05 Cummins QCSB 4wd 48re '91 Cummins w350 5spd

03-28-2017, 09:58 PM	#13
dbshelton Name: dbshelton Title: Diesel Enthusiast Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kountze,TX Member`s Gallery Posts: 134	I have a thread in the diesel conversion section. "1996 E Super Duty" Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk __________________ 2004 (early) 2500 2wd QC, 50hp injectors, Holley Black pump, HTS valve body,DPC converter 1994 2500 2wd 5-speed RCLB, #5 Plate, 4k GSK, 60# Springs, 035 del. valves. 1996 Ford E-SuperDuty Bus, 1991.5 first gen, 5R110 trans, HE351, 3200GSK, THD pin

03-29-2017, 09:37 AM	#14
badbowtie Name: badbowtie Title: custom engine daydreamer Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Plainfield IN Member`s Gallery Posts: 475	I would suggest using shop air to actuate your wategste and test your system for boost leaks. At 20 psi what is your egt? What does your smoke trail look like? 96 3500 5x018 7mm dvs 64.5sxe 90 d350 __________________ 1996 3500 4x4 5spd 1991 D350 5spd

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03-30-2017, 10:01 AM	#17
badbowtie Name: badbowtie Title: custom engine daydreamer Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Plainfield IN Member`s Gallery Posts: 475	That might just be all the fuel your pump settings are pushing then . That egt and no smoke means your pretty much burning all your putting out. You could turn the pump up quite a bit before you hit dangerous get levels. 96 3500 5x018 7mm dvs 64.5sxe 90 d350 __________________ 1996 3500 4x4 5spd 1991 D350 5spd

04-01-2017, 03:59 PM	#18
dbshelton Name: dbshelton Title: Diesel Enthusiast Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kountze,TX Member`s Gallery Posts: 134	Finally got the pump turned up a turn or so. Will see what it does tomorrow. __________________ 2004 (early) 2500 2wd QC, 50hp injectors, Holley Black pump, HTS valve body,DPC converter 1994 2500 2wd 5-speed RCLB, #5 Plate, 4k GSK, 60# Springs, 035 del. valves. 1996 Ford E-SuperDuty Bus, 1991.5 first gen, 5R110 trans, HE351, 3200GSK, THD pin

06-28-2017, 11:21 AM	#19
dbshelton Name: dbshelton Title: Diesel Enthusiast Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kountze,TX Member`s Gallery Posts: 134	Just took the bus on a 2,000 mile trip. It was great until the for the first 1,400 miles, then the HE351 turbo took a crap. Does anyone know where I can buy a new Holset turbo reasonably? __________________ 2004 (early) 2500 2wd QC, 50hp injectors, Holley Black pump, HTS valve body,DPC converter 1994 2500 2wd 5-speed RCLB, #5 Plate, 4k GSK, 60# Springs, 035 del. valves. 1996 Ford E-SuperDuty Bus, 1991.5 first gen, 5R110 trans, HE351, 3200GSK, THD pin

06-28-2017, 01:25 PM	#20
dbshelton Name: dbshelton Title: Diesel Enthusiast Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kountze,TX Member`s Gallery Posts: 134	Also, is there a good aftermarket replacement available for the HE351? __________________ 2004 (early) 2500 2wd QC, 50hp injectors, Holley Black pump, HTS valve body,DPC converter 1994 2500 2wd 5-speed RCLB, #5 Plate, 4k GSK, 60# Springs, 035 del. valves. 1996 Ford E-SuperDuty Bus, 1991.5 first gen, 5R110 trans, HE351, 3200GSK, THD pin