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YOUNG GUNS15 · 12-28-2012, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 307diesel

Did you just gut the vaccum pump or how did that all work out? My 06 is about to be recieving a p pumped 24v rather soon.

Plugged the line.

YOUNG GUNS15 · 01-18-2013, 11:59 PM

Just as a side note to the select shift standalone ATS valve body and tuning. Go into the
LOAD VS. LINE PRESSURE and set all the gears to never go to zero duty cylce. I would highly recommend no less than 30 duty cycle (which is roughly 150-160psi) zero duty cycle is 250+ psi and will break some crap.....

cmac2385 · 01-20-2013, 03:51 PM

Great job on the swap! I'm going to be doing this same swap really soon but I'm trying do do as much research as I can first. Can I ask why you relocated the factory oil cooler to the frame? And did it come out from behind the oil filter?

YOUNG GUNS15 · 01-20-2013, 04:58 PM

The factory 12 valve tappet cover vent would have interfered with the factory location of the oil cooler, also it kept things simple on that side of the engine, also didn't crowd the injector pump so bad either.

Dallas H. · 02-19-2013, 12:29 PM

what about the cruise control? I am in the midle of the same swap only i have a six speed insted of the auto.

YOUNG GUNS15 · 02-19-2013, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dallas H.

what about the cruise control? I am in the midle of the same swap only i have a six speed insted of the auto.

We didnt bother trying to get that to work since it never worked in the first place. I've heard that you can find the cruise control setup from a 2500 hemi powered ram and figure a way to make that work. But I haven't looked into that, so I can't tell ya first hand

Dallas H. · 02-19-2013, 09:54 PM

Painless has came out with a harness that will clean up the installation and I am talking with a company in Fort Worth about flashing the ECM to get rid of all the junk I'm not using.

YOUNG GUNS15 · 02-19-2013, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dallas H.

Painless has came out with a harness that will clean up the installation and I am talking with a company in Fort Worth about flashing the ECM to get rid of all the junk I'm not using.

Really?? that would make life real easy! I thought about contacting painless, but figured it'd be really expensive for a one time order.

RyanH · 02-19-2013, 10:24 PM

The thing you mounted to the frame is actually a heat exchanger, oil cooler is in front of the radiator.
Now all you need is a lockout hub conversion kit for the front end and it will b a great truck

YOUNG GUNS15 · 02-19-2013, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RyanH

The thing you mounted to the frame is actually a heat exchanger, oil cooler is in front of the radiator.
Now all you need is a lockout hub conversion kit for the front end and it will b a great truck

Technicalities....

Smokie Okie · 02-24-2013, 07:14 PM

YOUNG GUNS15 · 04-24-2013, 05:03 PM

Dad just texted me a few moments ago and he reported 21mpg in town and on farm driving, that's impressive my friends! The 12 valve is now 3mpg better than the common rail motors best in town on farm mileage.

4thesporty · 04-25-2013, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dallas H.

Painless has came out with a harness that will clean up the installation and I am talking with a company in Fort Worth about flashing the ECM to get rid of all the junk I'm not using.

What company in Ft. Worth?

kino_fab · 04-28-2013, 03:42 PM

MAy have missed it, but did you have to use teh CR cam sensor or just the crank sensor?

YOUNG GUNS15 · 06-26-2013, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by kino_fab

MAy have missed it, but did you have to use teh CR cam sensor or just the crank sensor?

We used only the crank sensor

Created this little gem of a paint job. Pops says its a little too radical for his truck.

YOUNG GUNS15 · 08-08-2013, 03:31 PM

Carnage update

FUBAR bellville spring in the forward pack

truck lost reverse and would load up in park or neutral. Pulled the trans last night and found this. Obviously this was a pressure related failure. Luckily we caught it early and it didn't take out any clutches. Just needs more tuning, more growing pains... That's just life!

To anyone using the same valve body, I cannot stress how important a pressure gauge is. Also.... NEVER USE THE ATS OUT OF THE BOX TUNE FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN INITIAL SETUP. It will stress the bellville spring and it will eventually break, even if its temporary to move the truck, they have the duty cycle set at 0 when you put the truck in gear, and guess what pack is engaging when you pull it into drive? Yep the forward pack. Goodbye bellville spring! Hopefully this is the last time we break any hard parts.

On edit, 0 duty cycle will produce 250psi and up. We have seen 280 once, which probably caused our failure, just not immediately. We have been running a tune with lowered pressure for several months now.

ahale2772 · 08-08-2013, 04:24 PM

250 psi of line pressure??? no blown seals?

YOUNG GUNS15 · 08-08-2013, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ahale2772

250 psi of line pressure??? no blown seals?

Just the forward clutch piston. But that was due to the piston over extending. I'm sure it would blow any given seal with enough time at that pressure

not enoughsmoke · 08-08-2013, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by YOUNG GUNS15

We used only the crank sensor

Created this little gem of a paint job. Pops says its a little too radical for his truck.

Dude that looks sweet
make the valve covers match

YOUNG GUNS15 · 08-08-2013, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by not enoughsmoke

Dude that looks sweet
make the valve covers match

I totally would but those are powder coated and I've run out of spare vale covers

I did one in red

01-18-2013, 11:59 PM	#42
YOUNG GUNS15 Name: YOUNG GUNS15 Title: Im AWESOME!!!! Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Utah Member`s Gallery Posts: 7,346	Just as a side note to the select shift standalone ATS valve body and tuning. Go into the LOAD VS. LINE PRESSURE and set all the gears to never go to zero duty cylce. I would highly recommend no less than 30 duty cycle (which is roughly 150-160psi) zero duty cycle is 250+ psi and will break some crap..... __________________ Spence -1994 4x4 12 valve 13mm, single 475 748/1292 Fuel 872/1470 N2O -2005 4x4 12 valve CCSB 3rd gen '12-rail' 280hp

01-20-2013, 04:58 PM	#44
YOUNG GUNS15 Name: YOUNG GUNS15 Title: Im AWESOME!!!! Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Utah Member`s Gallery Posts: 7,346	The factory 12 valve tappet cover vent would have interfered with the factory location of the oil cooler, also it kept things simple on that side of the engine, also didn't crowd the injector pump so bad either. __________________ Spence -1994 4x4 12 valve 13mm, single 475 748/1292 Fuel 872/1470 N2O -2005 4x4 12 valve CCSB 3rd gen '12-rail' 280hp

02-19-2013, 10:24 PM	#49
RyanH Name: RyanH Title: Diesel Pro Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Grand junction Member`s Gallery Posts: 208	The thing you mounted to the frame is actually a heat exchanger, oil cooler is in front of the radiator. Now all you need is a lockout hub conversion kit for the front end and it will b a great truck __________________ 9812v qcsb GT-55

02-24-2013, 07:14 PM	#51
Smokie Okie Name: Smokie Okie Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: SW Oklahoma Member`s Gallery Posts: 764	__________________ '93 W250 X-cab returned to stock '06 Grocery getter Molon Labe, Deo Vindici

04-24-2013, 05:03 PM	#52
YOUNG GUNS15 Name: YOUNG GUNS15 Title: Im AWESOME!!!! Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Utah Member`s Gallery Posts: 7,346	Dad just texted me a few moments ago and he reported 21mpg in town and on farm driving, that's impressive my friends! The 12 valve is now 3mpg better than the common rail motors best in town on farm mileage. __________________ Spence -1994 4x4 12 valve 13mm, single 475 748/1292 Fuel 872/1470 N2O -2005 4x4 12 valve CCSB 3rd gen '12-rail' 280hp

01-20-2013, 03:51 PM	#43
cmac2385 Name: cmac2385 Title: Rookie Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2013 Member`s Gallery Posts: 1	Great job on the swap! I'm going to be doing this same swap really soon but I'm trying do do as much research as I can first. Can I ask why you relocated the factory oil cooler to the frame? And did it come out from behind the oil filter?

02-19-2013, 12:29 PM	#45
Dallas H. Name: Dallas H. Title: West Texas Mechanic Status: Not Here Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: West Texas Member`s Gallery Posts: 2	what about the cruise control? I am in the midle of the same swap only i have a six speed insted of the auto.

02-19-2013, 09:54 PM	#47
Dallas H. Name: Dallas H. Title: West Texas Mechanic Status: Not Here Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: West Texas Member`s Gallery Posts: 2	Painless has came out with a harness that will clean up the installation and I am talking with a company in Fort Worth about flashing the ECM to get rid of all the junk I'm not using.

04-28-2013, 03:42 PM	#54
kino_fab Name: kino_fab Title: KTPA Tech Official Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Glasgow, Ky Member`s Gallery Posts: 2,244	MAy have missed it, but did you have to use teh CR cam sensor or just the crank sensor? __________________ 04.5 3500 daily driver/ex-sled puller - On the operating table Tech Official for:

08-08-2013, 03:31 PM	#56
YOUNG GUNS15 Name: YOUNG GUNS15 Title: Im AWESOME!!!! Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Utah Member`s Gallery Posts: 7,346	Carnage update FUBAR bellville spring in the forward pack truck lost reverse and would load up in park or neutral. Pulled the trans last night and found this. Obviously this was a pressure related failure. Luckily we caught it early and it didn't take out any clutches. Just needs more tuning, more growing pains... That's just life! To anyone using the same valve body, I cannot stress how important a pressure gauge is. Also.... NEVER USE THE ATS OUT OF THE BOX TUNE FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN INITIAL SETUP. It will stress the bellville spring and it will eventually break, even if its temporary to move the truck, they have the duty cycle set at 0 when you put the truck in gear, and guess what pack is engaging when you pull it into drive? Yep the forward pack. Goodbye bellville spring! Hopefully this is the last time we break any hard parts. On edit, 0 duty cycle will produce 250psi and up. We have seen 280 once, which probably caused our failure, just not immediately. We have been running a tune with lowered pressure for several months now. __________________ Spence -1994 4x4 12 valve 13mm, single 475 748/1292 Fuel 872/1470 N2O -2005 4x4 12 valve CCSB 3rd gen '12-rail' 280hp Last edited by YOUNG GUNS15; 08-08-2013 at 03:38 PM.

08-08-2013, 04:24 PM	#57
ahale2772 Name: ahale2772 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Oct 2011 Member`s Gallery Posts: 2,442	250 psi of line pressure??? no blown seals? __________________ 94 SCLB dually 11.3@122