Slipless Antifriction Clutch

[Coolguylevi]

What would your top dollar be for a hypothetical clutch that will not slip and never wears? Me... Id pay upwards of $4000. This is all hypothetical. Lets talk about the drawbacks, it weighs 25% more and it could be too aggresive on input shafts. The positives, it is easyer to install, it lasts a lifetime, it has no moving parts when driveline is engauged. Lets keep going! Ideas?

[zfaylor]

I know my 3850 south bend was difficult to slip even feathering the clutch taking off and it made starting on a hill with a trailer almost impossible without beating the crap out of it. If you have a clutch that engages the second it makes contact pulling a trailer will be a disaster and taking off in general will be a neck breaker.

[Schrowang]

So you're saying you want a clutch with two positions? Fully disengaged and fully engaged, with nothing in between. You might want to re consider.

[Coolguylevi]

You guys gotta think out side the box on this one... this hypothetical clutch is a progressive engagement, not an on-off clutch. lets say it operates as smooth as OEM. What would you pay for something like this?

[zfaylor]

How do you plan to accomplish something like this? I can say "how much would you pay for a pet unicorn?" but it if I have no idea how I might get a unicorn how does one put a price on it?

The only way I could see this being accomplished would be an overly aggressive clutch with some sort of soft dampening springs to absorb some of the shock once engaged.

One does have to ask the question of why?

There will still be parts to fail (ie. said dampening springs) and when do you justify paying the said $4000 on a clutch when a nearly indestructible clutch can be had for half of that? If it is a moderate hp daily driver you can buy a double disc and not worry for years. If it is a puller or competition truck you want the clutch to slip or you will play hell getting spooled if your option is free rev or fully engaged.

[Coolguylevi]

Originally Posted by zfaylor

How do you plan to accomplish something like this? I can say "how much would you pay for a pet unicorn?" but it if I have no idea how I might get a unicorn how does one put a price on it?

The only way I could see this being accomplished would be an overly aggressive clutch with some sort of soft dampening springs to absorb some of the shock once engaged.

One does have to ask the question of why?

There will still be parts to fail (ie. said dampening springs) and when do you justify paying the said $4000 on a clutch when a nearly indestructible clutch can be had for half of that? If it is a moderate hp daily driver you can buy a double disc and not worry for years. If it is a puller or competition truck you want the clutch to slip or you will play hell getting spooled if your option is free rev or fully engaged.

Lets say this clutch does not use wear plates in stead it uses other means of energy transfer. Also lets pretend you could adjust the free rev live, via electronic rheostat.

[zfaylor]

The idea is too vague. Over complicating one of the simplest components on a truck for a much higher cost would make the product tough to market.

[Scooter's Roofing]

pass that ****, levi!

[Coolguylevi]

what is the most expensive most durable clutches on the market?

[Scooter's Roofing]

what is the correct conjugation of the verb "to be" in that sentence, levi?

[zfaylor]

I think the thing you are trying to create is a torque converter.

[turbom700]

Magnets is my guess.

[zfaylor]

Originally Posted by turbom700

Magnets is my guess.

Would this require a modified flux capacitor to generate a heavy enough field for my application?

[Scooter's Roofing]

[PSUCE]

Originally Posted by Coolguylevi

what is the most expensive most durable clutches on the market?

Three discs can be bought for $2k and four discs can be bought for $3k.

[Coolguylevi]

In order to use magnets the only type that would be semi feasable (to an extent) would be an electro magnet. This would also only be possible by being engauged while positivly charged and would therefore require alot of energy (while driving) = FAIL.
Torque converter... Interesting idea lets say this clutch is more closly related to a torque converter, now lets pretend this so called torque converter would be interchangeable from automatics to manuals and vise-versa.

[zfaylor]

Some run a clutch in front of an automatic in the drag world. Referred to as the "poor mans lenco". Similar to a power shift transmission found in tractors when doing that.

Re-inventing the wheel when it comes to power transmission these days would be extremely difficult and as said before tough to market given it will be complicated and unproven.

[biggy238]

Toroidal power transfer.

[4x4dually]

I read "Slipless" followed by "Antifriction."

I'm just here for the meth.

[turbom700]

Originally Posted by Coolguylevi

In order to use magnets the only type that would be semi feasable (to an extent) would be an electro magnet. This would also only be possible by being engauged while positivly charged and would therefore require alot of energy (while driving) = FAIL.
Torque converter... Interesting idea lets say this clutch is more closly related to a torque converter, now lets pretend this so called torque converter would be interchangeable from automatics to manuals and vise-versa.

This, neversaid it was a good idea just said it "could" work

For all you nay sayers. If your not able to look outside the "norm" then you will just be "norm"

Steve Jobs didnt tell microsoft there idea was dump he went out and prove to all the computer would work his way. It didnt happen over night and either would this clutch put you have to start someplace

I have done a number of projects over the yrs that many said were "stuipd" or "wouldnt work" and guess what they did. Did they work the first time out NOPE but they did end up working.