12 valve setup - Competition Diesel.Com

bannon_500 · 12-16-2014, 11:12 AM

I'm dropping a 12v out of a 94 dodge auto into a OBS ford to build a service truck/tow pig for the farm. I'm fairly new to this 12v stuff being that I'm a Powerstroke guy. As of now I plan on running a fleece 63mm cheetah, 4k springs, a schied adjustable fuel plate, airdog lift pump, and have schied advance the timing a bit. My question is what should I be lookin at for injectors, 5x.012 or .013s? And where is a good place to get em, and should I do delivery valve and if so what size? I want to make at least 400hp without being hot or too smokey. Thanks in advance

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stubz616 · 12-16-2014, 11:26 AM

Get some 5x12s or 14s from Smokem (Weston) and keep the AFC and don't bother with the adjustable fuel plate. With those you lose the ability to control all your low end fuel. For your goals, delivery valves aren't necessary but you could also get those from smokem. The rest of your setup seems realistic for your power and work goals for the truck. Maybe add valve springs if you plan on using the 4K springs to their full potential

bannon_500 · 12-16-2014, 11:40 AM

I'll look in to them. Also, should the stock headbolts be fine. The motor only has 90k on a schied rebuild

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Hdhorton · 12-16-2014, 11:52 AM

They might hold but being that its going to be under a load towing a lot with that turbo I would personally do studs for some cheap insurance. Take it from a guy who's been there, $400 for some studs is a lot cheaper than a new head and top end gasket set. And you don't even have to remove the head for the studs. Really easy to do

Tate · 12-16-2014, 05:40 PM

Is that fleece turbo a VGT?

I'll second what Stubz said. Leave the stock AFC, either cut or ditch the plate. If it has 131 DV's, you might need to upsize them. For a turbo, you could make 400 with a HE351 fairly easily. Use the stock lift pump. Studs are not required, but safe insurance. I ran stock bolts on both of my trucks until I went to twins. I always kept the timing fairly conservative though.

For 400hp, you really only need injectors and a mild turbo upgrade.

stubz616 · 12-16-2014, 08:01 PM

I did 518/907 with 131s in an unbenched 160 pump so they are plenty capable of your power goals. That was with a II Silver 64

bannon_500 · 12-18-2014, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by stubz616

Get some 5x12s or 14s from Smokem (Weston) and keep the AFC and don't bother with the adjustable fuel plate. With those you lose the ability to control all your low end fuel. For your goals, delivery valves aren't necessary but you could also get those from smokem. The rest of your setup seems realistic for your power and work goals for the truck. Maybe add valve springs if you plan on using the 4K springs to their full potential

Do you have a website for these Weston injectors? And I've already bought the plate. lol

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bannon_500 · 12-18-2014, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Tate

Is that fleece turbo a VGT?

I'll second what Stubz said. Leave the stock AFC, either cut or ditch the plate. If it has 131 DV's, you might need to upsize them. For a turbo, you could make 400 with a HE351 fairly easily. Use the stock lift pump. Studs are not required, but safe insurance. I ran stock bolts on both of my trucks until I went to twins. I always kept the timing fairly conservative though.

For 400hp, you really only need injectors and a mild turbo upgrade.

No it's not vgt. It's just a hx35 with either a cast 60mm or a billet 63mm wheel in it

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Hdhorton · 12-18-2014, 01:09 PM

[QUOTE=bannon_500;2395381]Do you have a website for these Weston injectors? And I've already bought the plate. lol

Infinite performance

Ghostman · 12-18-2014, 03:21 PM

PM Smokem = Weston Shupe for injectors

RDPsmoker · 12-18-2014, 07:47 PM

I like to pass this thread around. Will help give an idea on what people are running to make power.

http://www.competitiondiesel.com/for...d.php?t=153283

bannon_500 · 12-22-2014, 03:07 PM

Just talked with smokem. He doesn't have the 5x.012s anymore. Just 5x.014s. And I'm worried those may be too big. Any other alternatives?

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Ghostman · 12-22-2014, 03:10 PM

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Just talked with smokem. He doesn't have the 5x.012s anymore. Just 5x.014s. And I'm worried those may be too big. Any other alternatives?

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With some stock DVs it should be good with 5x14

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Hdhorton · 12-22-2014, 03:59 PM

If not, cpp has 5x12's

bannon_500 · 12-22-2014, 04:00 PM

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With some stock DVs it should be good with 5x14

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Just talked with him again. That's exactly what he said. So that's probably what I'm gonna do

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*zfaylor* · 12-22-2014, 04:28 PM

Bannon aren't you going to be sad when your work truck makes more power than that dang 6.0??

If they offer a cast 60mm hx35 I imagine it is some variation of an hx35/40 hybrid. That will get you to your goal but get kind of warm around 450 on a tow pig.

Good luck and call me if you need any pointers with tuning that AFC! The adjustable plate will be OK but you will probably get annoyed with constantly driving around the smoke and want your AFC back.

Ghostman · 12-22-2014, 06:31 PM

Get a BD super B. Great turbo, should pair up well and do 400HP.

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bannon_500 · 12-23-2014, 07:21 AM

I'm getting a deal on the cheetah cause I'm trading chase fleece some wheels and tires for it

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12-16-2014, 11:12 AM	#1
bannon_500 Name: bannon_500 Title: Rookie Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2008 Member`s Gallery Posts: 15	12 valve setup I'm dropping a 12v out of a 94 dodge auto into a OBS ford to build a service truck/tow pig for the farm. I'm fairly new to this 12v stuff being that I'm a Powerstroke guy. As of now I plan on running a fleece 63mm cheetah, 4k springs, a schied adjustable fuel plate, airdog lift pump, and have schied advance the timing a bit. My question is what should I be lookin at for injectors, 5x.012 or .013s? And where is a good place to get em, and should I do delivery valve and if so what size? I want to make at least 400hp without being hot or too smokey. Thanks in advance Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ 2011 Ford F-350 6.7 CCLB Lariat / 2003 Ford F-250 6.0 RCLB ZF-6 FX4 350/150 Warren injectors, Warren twin hpop, Dieselsite billet HPOP, Irate diesel fuel system, Fleece Performace S463, Spearco intercooler, Maryland Performance manifolds, Southbend 3850 DD clutch

12-16-2014, 11:26 AM	#2
stubz616 Name: stubz616 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Brewster, MA Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,327	Get some 5x12s or 14s from Smokem (Weston) and keep the AFC and don't bother with the adjustable fuel plate. With those you lose the ability to control all your low end fuel. For your goals, delivery valves aren't necessary but you could also get those from smokem. The rest of your setup seems realistic for your power and work goals for the truck. Maybe add valve springs if you plan on using the 4K springs to their full potential __________________ 95 RCLB Farrell Diesel Stage 5 13mm pump,Hamilton Springs,Retainers,Pushrods,Fluidampr,Steed Speed,S467.7/soon to be S488 atmo,Full Billet Trans,DPC 4 disk TC,BD Pressure Loc,Haley Speed 5x.022s,Diesel Pros Custom Cam,O-Ringed,.010 over HG,A1000,Hellman sump,625 Studs, 30*

12-16-2014, 11:40 AM	#3
bannon_500 Name: bannon_500 Title: Rookie Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2008 Member`s Gallery Posts: 15	I'll look in to them. Also, should the stock headbolts be fine. The motor only has 90k on a schied rebuild Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ 2011 Ford F-350 6.7 CCLB Lariat / 2003 Ford F-250 6.0 RCLB ZF-6 FX4 350/150 Warren injectors, Warren twin hpop, Dieselsite billet HPOP, Irate diesel fuel system, Fleece Performace S463, Spearco intercooler, Maryland Performance manifolds, Southbend 3850 DD clutch

12-16-2014, 11:52 AM	#4
Hdhorton Name: Hdhorton Title: Too broke to go fast Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Pageland sc Member`s Gallery Posts: 319	They might hold but being that its going to be under a load towing a lot with that turbo I would personally do studs for some cheap insurance. Take it from a guy who's been there, $400 for some studs is a lot cheaper than a new head and top end gasket set. And you don't even have to remove the head for the studs. Really easy to do __________________ 01.5 dodge 2500 qcsb, garmon stage 3 trans, infinite performance 6x.013's, sxe364.5/68/.83, steed manifold, fass titanium, edge drag comp, rad box, arp studs....

12-16-2014, 05:40 PM	#5
Tate Name: Tate Title: What? Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Airdrie, Alberta Member`s Gallery Posts: 3,419	Is that fleece turbo a VGT? I'll second what Stubz said. Leave the stock AFC, either cut or ditch the plate. If it has 131 DV's, you might need to upsize them. For a turbo, you could make 400 with a HE351 fairly easily. Use the stock lift pump. Studs are not required, but safe insurance. I ran stock bolts on both of my trucks until I went to twins. I always kept the timing fairly conservative though. For 400hp, you really only need injectors and a mild turbo upgrade. __________________ '98 3500 2wd, 24v, 5 spd, p-pumped '98 2500 4wd, 12v, 6 spd, VP'd '02 VW Jetta, 5 spd. My p-pump conversion pics

12-16-2014, 08:01 PM	#6
stubz616 Name: stubz616 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Brewster, MA Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,327	I did 518/907 with 131s in an unbenched 160 pump so they are plenty capable of your power goals. That was with a II Silver 64 __________________ 95 RCLB Farrell Diesel Stage 5 13mm pump,Hamilton Springs,Retainers,Pushrods,Fluidampr,Steed Speed,S467.7/soon to be S488 atmo,Full Billet Trans,DPC 4 disk TC,BD Pressure Loc,Haley Speed 5x.022s,Diesel Pros Custom Cam,O-Ringed,.010 over HG,A1000,Hellman sump,625 Studs, 30*

12-18-2014, 01:09 PM	#9
Hdhorton Name: Hdhorton Title: Too broke to go fast Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Pageland sc Member`s Gallery Posts: 319	[QUOTE=bannon_500;2395381]Do you have a website for these Weston injectors? And I've already bought the plate. lol Infinite performance __________________ 01.5 dodge 2500 qcsb, garmon stage 3 trans, infinite performance 6x.013's, sxe364.5/68/.83, steed manifold, fass titanium, edge drag comp, rad box, arp studs....

12-18-2014, 07:47 PM	#11
RDPsmoker Name: RDPsmoker Title: OUT TO LUNCH.. Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Casper or Laramie WY Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,815	I like to pass this thread around. Will help give an idea on what people are running to make power. http://www.competitiondiesel.com/for...d.php?t=153283 __________________ -DUSTIN- THANKS TO MAXTORQ 95 2500 -DPC -SUNCOAST *03 3500* -Stock for now

12-22-2014, 03:07 PM	#12
bannon_500 Name: bannon_500 Title: Rookie Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2008 Member`s Gallery Posts: 15	Just talked with smokem. He doesn't have the 5x.012s anymore. Just 5x.014s. And I'm worried those may be too big. Any other alternatives? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ 2011 Ford F-350 6.7 CCLB Lariat / 2003 Ford F-250 6.0 RCLB ZF-6 FX4 350/150 Warren injectors, Warren twin hpop, Dieselsite billet HPOP, Irate diesel fuel system, Fleece Performace S463, Spearco intercooler, Maryland Performance manifolds, Southbend 3850 DD clutch

12-22-2014, 03:59 PM	#14
Hdhorton Name: Hdhorton Title: Too broke to go fast Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Pageland sc Member`s Gallery Posts: 319	If not, cpp has 5x12's __________________ 01.5 dodge 2500 qcsb, garmon stage 3 trans, infinite performance 6x.013's, sxe364.5/68/.83, steed manifold, fass titanium, edge drag comp, rad box, arp studs....

12-22-2014, 04:28 PM	#16
zfaylor Name: zfaylor Title: Comp Diesel Sponsor Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: P-TOWN!, Indiana Member`s Gallery Posts: 5,024	Bannon aren't you going to be sad when your work truck makes more power than that dang 6.0?? If they offer a cast 60mm hx35 I imagine it is some variation of an hx35/40 hybrid. That will get you to your goal but get kind of warm around 450 on a tow pig. Good luck and call me if you need any pointers with tuning that AFC! The adjustable plate will be OK but you will probably get annoyed with constantly driving around the smoke and want your AFC back. __________________ 2015 half ton heavy chevy 81 Fairmont LS project Many yard ornament projects... North American Turbo

12-23-2014, 07:21 AM	#18
bannon_500 Name: bannon_500 Title: Rookie Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2008 Member`s Gallery Posts: 15	I'm getting a deal on the cheetah cause I'm trading chase fleece some wheels and tires for it Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ 2011 Ford F-350 6.7 CCLB Lariat / 2003 Ford F-250 6.0 RCLB ZF-6 FX4 350/150 Warren injectors, Warren twin hpop, Dieselsite billet HPOP, Irate diesel fuel system, Fleece Performace S463, Spearco intercooler, Maryland Performance manifolds, Southbend 3850 DD clutch