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biggy238 · 05-25-2020, 05:54 PM

Word of advice to the DIY crew, spec all of the plates you take out. The pressure and reaction plate for my forward clutch group are machined. To begin with, I forgot to order a reaction plate, so that set me back. FP sent me a pressure plate with the kit at my request, but I didn't catch that mine was machined. I also forgot to order the thrust washers for the 48re planetaries. I'm hoping I can pull a couple of late nights this week and button things up.

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biggy238 · 05-25-2020, 05:56 PM

The billet output shaft didn't want to drop in to the OD direct drum assembly. A couple of minutes in the parts washer and the drum was nice and fat. The shat dropped right in.

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biggy238 · 05-25-2020, 05:58 PM

I took my stock intermediate shaft and severed it with a plasma cutter to make an alignment tool. I dropped it into the overrunning clutch just to make sure to was doing it's one-way thing.

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biggy238 · 05-25-2020, 06:09 PM

Assembling the (direct?) overdrive clutch pack.
A press, two 8mm snap-on sockets and one 9mm and a plate are enough to compress the spring for this pack. I didn't take a picture, but for some reason the previous transmission build has the waved snap ring that's marked as gas only. Putting this back in made the clutch stack too tall to insert the wire ring that retains the clutch group. I didn't measure the plates that came out to try and explain the difference in stack height.
Also, lubricate the surfaces of the alignment tool so that It can be removed more easily. I didn't take the time to weld a tab to it, but I don't know that it would have helped any more than the lube does.

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biggy238 · 05-25-2020, 06:22 PM

I checked the pocket depth on the bushing in the direct drum and then replaced it with a bushing driver. I assembled it and checked clearance with a dial indicator.

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thatguy69 · 05-25-2020, 11:53 PM

Who's specs are you going off of for your clutch pack clearances? .100 seems like a lot to me for the direct but it's been a couple years since I did mine so I could be wrong

biggy238 · 05-26-2020, 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thatguy69

Who's specs are you going off of for your clutch pack clearances? .100 seems like a lot to me for the direct but it's been a couple years since I did mine so I could be wrong

Well. I see the error in this. It didn't have the waved snap ring.
ATSG states to check between the Ridge of the ring and the plate.

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thatguy69 · 05-26-2020, 02:50 PM

I just don't want you chasing your tail on a 2-3 bind up like I did. Certain servo/valve body setups like certain clutch pack clearances otherwise you'll get funky shifts/bindups. Most builders remove the wave snap rings and use the standard ones for durability I beleive. Same in the od unit.

biggy238 · 05-26-2020, 06:04 PM

I do know it's a quick way to get a firmer shift. I'm being told to drop the clearance to between 0.070 and 0.080. I will be trying to get a thicker snap ring put in.

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biggy238 · 05-26-2020, 09:26 PM

I'm currently searching for this,but if anyone has the thread talking about welding the planetary housings,I would like to read it.

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thatguy69 · 05-26-2020, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by biggy238

I do know it's a quick way to get a firmer shift. I'm being told to drop the clearance to between 0.070 and 0.080. I will be trying to get a thicker snap ring put in.

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After looking back at my notes that sounds right, Dave goerend told me 070-085. I set mine at .060 not knowing and had the bind up on the 2-3.

Workin man · 05-27-2020, 10:43 AM

How many clutches you putting in the direct buggy? .015 percclutch. Also I run a dual spring 2nd gear servo. That will make the 2 to 3 cleaner with less bind. 155 line pressure.

biggy238 · 05-27-2020, 12:48 PM

Stock clutch count in direct clutch group. Does have aftermarket piston and all of the springs.

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biggy238 · 05-29-2020, 03:59 PM

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Workin man · 05-29-2020, 09:50 PM

5 or 6 in the overdrive brake?

biggy238 · 05-30-2020, 04:51 PM

6 in OD I believe.
It's assembled. All of the clearances are where they need to be.
I had no idea there's a picture of the thrusts in the back of the atsg manual. That's what I get for not reading it first. Would have saved a few minutes.
I had to bend the tab on the fixed TV kit to clear the 48RE/Ford shift cable.

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thatguy69 · 05-30-2020, 05:40 PM

What was your overall end play?

biggy238 · 05-30-2020, 06:43 PM

0.055"

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Workin man · 05-30-2020, 07:49 PM

Did you stack different multiple plastics selectives to get your endplay?

biggy238 · 05-30-2020, 07:57 PM

No, I used selective washers and one mickey mouse. That's what it had in it before.
The question you ask make me second guess myself.

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05-25-2020, 05:54 PM	#61
biggy238 Name: biggy238 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Just North of Wrong Member`s Gallery Posts: 10,865	Word of advice to the DIY crew, spec all of the plates you take out. The pressure and reaction plate for my forward clutch group are machined. To begin with, I forgot to order a reaction plate, so that set me back. FP sent me a pressure plate with the kit at my request, but I didn't catch that mine was machined. I also forgot to order the thrust washers for the 48re planetaries. I'm hoping I can pull a couple of late nights this week and button things up. Sent from my motorola one vision using Tapatalk __________________ Check out @bdmaximusworx 05.5 Campanella White TDi Jetta 5spd 45.5MPG -Little Sexy '10 Silver F250 CCLB 4X4 6.4L cummins Swapped Insta @trash.panda250

05-25-2020, 05:56 PM	#62
biggy238 Name: biggy238 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Just North of Wrong Member`s Gallery Posts: 10,865	The billet output shaft didn't want to drop in to the OD direct drum assembly. A couple of minutes in the parts washer and the drum was nice and fat. The shat dropped right in. Sent from my motorola one vision using Tapatalk __________________ Check out @bdmaximusworx 05.5 Campanella White TDi Jetta 5spd 45.5MPG -Little Sexy '10 Silver F250 CCLB 4X4 6.4L cummins Swapped Insta @trash.panda250

05-25-2020, 05:58 PM	#63
biggy238 Name: biggy238 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Just North of Wrong Member`s Gallery Posts: 10,865	I took my stock intermediate shaft and severed it with a plasma cutter to make an alignment tool. I dropped it into the overrunning clutch just to make sure to was doing it's one-way thing. Sent from my motorola one vision using Tapatalk __________________ Check out @bdmaximusworx 05.5 Campanella White TDi Jetta 5spd 45.5MPG -Little Sexy '10 Silver F250 CCLB 4X4 6.4L cummins Swapped Insta @trash.panda250

05-25-2020, 06:09 PM	#64
biggy238 Name: biggy238 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Just North of Wrong Member`s Gallery Posts: 10,865	Assembling the (direct?) overdrive clutch pack. A press, two 8mm snap-on sockets and one 9mm and a plate are enough to compress the spring for this pack. I didn't take a picture, but for some reason the previous transmission build has the waved snap ring that's marked as gas only. Putting this back in made the clutch stack too tall to insert the wire ring that retains the clutch group. I didn't measure the plates that came out to try and explain the difference in stack height. Also, lubricate the surfaces of the alignment tool so that It can be removed more easily. I didn't take the time to weld a tab to it, but I don't know that it would have helped any more than the lube does. Sent from my motorola one vision using Tapatalk __________________ Check out @bdmaximusworx 05.5 Campanella White TDi Jetta 5spd 45.5MPG -Little Sexy '10 Silver F250 CCLB 4X4 6.4L cummins Swapped Insta @trash.panda250 Last edited by biggy238; 05-25-2020 at 06:11 PM.

05-25-2020, 06:22 PM	#65
biggy238 Name: biggy238 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Just North of Wrong Member`s Gallery Posts: 10,865	I checked the pocket depth on the bushing in the direct drum and then replaced it with a bushing driver. I assembled it and checked clearance with a dial indicator. Sent from my motorola one vision using Tapatalk __________________ Check out @bdmaximusworx 05.5 Campanella White TDi Jetta 5spd 45.5MPG -Little Sexy '10 Silver F250 CCLB 4X4 6.4L cummins Swapped Insta @trash.panda250

05-25-2020, 11:53 PM	#66
thatguy69 Name: thatguy69 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Mansfield Ohio Member`s Gallery Posts: 2,023	Who's specs are you going off of for your clutch pack clearances? .100 seems like a lot to me for the direct but it's been a couple years since I did mine so I could be wrong __________________ 1999 Compound 24v Rust Rocket 2008 F350 P24v/Allison

05-26-2020, 02:50 PM	#68
thatguy69 Name: thatguy69 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Mansfield Ohio Member`s Gallery Posts: 2,023	I just don't want you chasing your tail on a 2-3 bind up like I did. Certain servo/valve body setups like certain clutch pack clearances otherwise you'll get funky shifts/bindups. Most builders remove the wave snap rings and use the standard ones for durability I beleive. Same in the od unit. __________________ 1999 Compound 24v Rust Rocket 2008 F350 P24v/Allison

05-26-2020, 06:04 PM	#69
biggy238 Name: biggy238 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Just North of Wrong Member`s Gallery Posts: 10,865	I do know it's a quick way to get a firmer shift. I'm being told to drop the clearance to between 0.070 and 0.080. I will be trying to get a thicker snap ring put in. Sent from my motorola one vision using Tapatalk __________________ Check out @bdmaximusworx 05.5 Campanella White TDi Jetta 5spd 45.5MPG -Little Sexy '10 Silver F250 CCLB 4X4 6.4L cummins Swapped Insta @trash.panda250

05-26-2020, 09:26 PM	#70
biggy238 Name: biggy238 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Just North of Wrong Member`s Gallery Posts: 10,865	I'm currently searching for this,but if anyone has the thread talking about welding the planetary housings,I would like to read it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Check out @bdmaximusworx 05.5 Campanella White TDi Jetta 5spd 45.5MPG -Little Sexy '10 Silver F250 CCLB 4X4 6.4L cummins Swapped Insta @trash.panda250

05-27-2020, 10:43 AM	#72
Workin man Name: Workin man Title: Wrenching man Status: Not Here Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Hesperia ca Member`s Gallery Posts: 34	How many clutches you putting in the direct buggy? .015 percclutch. Also I run a dual spring 2nd gear servo. That will make the 2 to 3 cleaner with less bind. 155 line pressure.

05-27-2020, 12:48 PM	#73
biggy238 Name: biggy238 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Just North of Wrong Member`s Gallery Posts: 10,865	Stock clutch count in direct clutch group. Does have aftermarket piston and all of the springs. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Check out @bdmaximusworx 05.5 Campanella White TDi Jetta 5spd 45.5MPG -Little Sexy '10 Silver F250 CCLB 4X4 6.4L cummins Swapped Insta @trash.panda250

05-29-2020, 03:59 PM	#74
biggy238 Name: biggy238 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Just North of Wrong Member`s Gallery Posts: 10,865	Firepunk Engineering care packages are the largest, most bestest packages. Sent from my motorola one action using Tapatalk __________________ Check out @bdmaximusworx 05.5 Campanella White TDi Jetta 5spd 45.5MPG -Little Sexy '10 Silver F250 CCLB 4X4 6.4L cummins Swapped Insta @trash.panda250

05-29-2020, 09:50 PM	#75
Workin man Name: Workin man Title: Wrenching man Status: Not Here Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Hesperia ca Member`s Gallery Posts: 34	5 or 6 in the overdrive brake?

05-30-2020, 04:51 PM	#76
biggy238 Name: biggy238 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Just North of Wrong Member`s Gallery Posts: 10,865	6 in OD I believe. It's assembled. All of the clearances are where they need to be. I had no idea there's a picture of the thrusts in the back of the atsg manual. That's what I get for not reading it first. Would have saved a few minutes. I had to bend the tab on the fixed TV kit to clear the 48RE/Ford shift cable. Sent from my motorola one action using Tapatalk __________________ Check out @bdmaximusworx 05.5 Campanella White TDi Jetta 5spd 45.5MPG -Little Sexy '10 Silver F250 CCLB 4X4 6.4L cummins Swapped Insta @trash.panda250

05-30-2020, 05:40 PM	#77
thatguy69 Name: thatguy69 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Mansfield Ohio Member`s Gallery Posts: 2,023	What was your overall end play? __________________ 1999 Compound 24v Rust Rocket 2008 F350 P24v/Allison

05-30-2020, 06:43 PM	#78
biggy238 Name: biggy238 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Just North of Wrong Member`s Gallery Posts: 10,865	0.055" Sent from my motorola one action using Tapatalk __________________ Check out @bdmaximusworx 05.5 Campanella White TDi Jetta 5spd 45.5MPG -Little Sexy '10 Silver F250 CCLB 4X4 6.4L cummins Swapped Insta @trash.panda250

05-30-2020, 07:49 PM	#79
Workin man Name: Workin man Title: Wrenching man Status: Not Here Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Hesperia ca Member`s Gallery Posts: 34	Did you stack different multiple plastics selectives to get your endplay?

05-30-2020, 07:57 PM	#80
biggy238 Name: biggy238 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Just North of Wrong Member`s Gallery Posts: 10,865	No, I used selective washers and one mickey mouse. That's what it had in it before. The question you ask make me second guess myself. Sent from my motorola one action using Tapatalk __________________ Check out @bdmaximusworx 05.5 Campanella White TDi Jetta 5spd 45.5MPG -Little Sexy '10 Silver F250 CCLB 4X4 6.4L cummins Swapped Insta @trash.panda250 Last edited by biggy238; 05-30-2020 at 07:59 PM.