My new shop

[zstroken]

Originally Posted by jfaulkner

Buddy found the best thing to do is take the filter system that came with his clean burn and throw it in the trash. I have geothermal at home. Def the way to go if you can swallow the initial cost.

Just finished putting in a GEO, curious to see how it works. We did the vertical loops and even added an extra loop to help keep us off of the emergency heat.

[jfaulkner]

Originally Posted by zstroken

Just finished putting in a GEO, curious to see how it works. We did the vertical loops and even added an extra loop to help keep us off of the emergency heat.

I love mine. Buries anything else for cost to run. Highest electric bill I've seen in 7 yrs was $369. That's heating 3200 sq ft maintaining 70* year round and a wife and kids that never turn lights off, 2hp pond fountain running 24/7 and outside lights.. I did horizontal loops because I had the space.

[DISTURBED]

Anyone on here know anything about gas boilers? I got a quote for one and it's pretty high. $14,000for the boiler and install. The company that put the tube in won't give me the specs so I can research them myself

[Signature600]

Damn...mine was $7800 or so for the boiler 3 years ago. Don't remember install, but we spent $150K with the plumbers for the rest of the building, so didn't matter.

What are you pricing?
Chris

[jfaulkner]

Originally Posted by DISTURBED

Anyone on here know anything about gas boilers? I got a quote for one and it's pretty high. $14,000for the boiler and install. The company that put the tube in won't give me the specs so I can research them myself

I don't have any idea how large of a unit you would need. I see something like the Vitodens 100 is about $7k. Might depend if your planning on leaving the temp alone, guys who constantly turn them up and down every evening would need bigger to recover. Some guys use standard water heaters but they leave their fingers off the thermostats.

[zstroken]

I don't think 14K is too far out. I know cheap residential ones for a house run in the $2k-$3k range just for the boiler.

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http://triangletube.com/TriangleTube...?CatID=1&PID=1

This is what they just sent me. Need to Google and see what kind of money they are

[Signature600]

Laars Neotherm 210K BTU

Here's a smaller version of what I have...first place I found online.

If you like, I can get you in touch with my plumbers that did mine, and I'm sure they would be glad to help you out. They're a local small place here that has been AWESOME for me.

Chris

[DISTURBED]

Originally Posted by Signature600

Laars Neotherm 210K BTU

Here's a smaller version of what I have...first place I found online.

If you like, I can get you in touch with my plumbers that did mine, and I'm sure they would be glad to help you out. They're a local small place here that has been AWESOME for me.

Chris

I'm open to talking to anyone about these because I have no experience what so ever with them. The link they sent me the most expensive one is $7600 and is 400,000btu. So figuring that where would the other $6400 come into play besides labor

[zstroken]

Originally Posted by DISTURBED

I'm open to talking to anyone about these because I have no experience what so ever with them. The link they sent me the most expensive one is $7600 and is 400,000btu. So figuring that where would the other $6400 come into play besides labor

Are you doing infloor heat with this?

[DISTURBED]

Originally Posted by zstroken

Are you doing infloor heat with this?

Yea tubing is already in the concrete

[zstroken]

Wonder what list price is on the boiler?

[DISTURBED]

Originally Posted by zstroken

Wonder what list price is on the boiler?

From then I have no idea.

http://www.ecomfort.com/Triangle-Tub...iM6hoCkdHw_wcB


This is the biggest one on of that series

[zstroken]

Originally Posted by DISTURBED

From then I have no idea.

http://www.ecomfort.com/Triangle-Tub...iM6hoCkdHw_wcB


This is the biggest one on of that series

Correct, but if you figure they charge MSRP, or at least mark up the equipment, and if you figure running a gas line, vent line, electrical, final connections, etc. I could see 4 man days for installation cover call back etc.

[Signature600]

5700 sq ft to heat....you already said you have a good insulation plan.

Looks like I saw insulation board under the slab??

How is the rest of the floor plumbing laid out? Assuming it's runs are kept as short as possible with a 120' long building, with 5/8" PEX in the floor, I don't know why a ~200K BTU boiler wouldn't be enough.

I am heating 20K sq foot on a 375K, half the slab is not insulated underneath, and the only times I need a bit more boiler is when it's 0* for days on end with zero sunshine.


http://www.wellertech.com is the plumber I use. I'd be glad to give them a call and see if they'd be willing to chat with you and help you make sure your local guy is up to par.

FYI, my old shop is 60x80x16, uninsulated slab, and we were heating it with an inefficient 200K used oil boiler. No problems.

Chris

[DISTURBED]

Originally Posted by zstroken

Correct, but if you figure they charge MSRP, or at least mark up the equipment, and if you figure running a gas line, vent line, electrical, final connections, etc. I could see 4 man days for installation cover call back etc.

Possible, just seems like the numbers aren't jiving to me.

Originally Posted by Signature600

5700 sq ft to heat....you already said you have a good insulation plan.

Looks like I saw insulation board under the slab??

How is the rest of the floor plumbing laid out? Assuming it's runs are kept as short as possible with a 120' long building, with 5/8" PEX in the floor, I don't know why a ~200K BTU boiler wouldn't be enough.

I am heating 20K sq foot on a 375K, half the slab is not insulated underneath, and the only times I need a bit more boiler is when it's 0* for days on end with zero sunshine.


http://www.wellertech.com is the plumber I use. I'd be glad to give them a call and see if they'd be willing to chat with you and help you make sure your local guy is up to par.

FYI, my old shop is 60x80x16, uninsulated slab, and we were heating it with an inefficient 200K used oil boiler. No problems.

Chris

The pad is only 55x60. 60' of the 120' is just a shed with no concrete. Yes it does have 2" foam board under the tube at 300' loops. They had told me before the boiler would be around $4800 or so. So I'm trying to figure out what the rest of the money is going to.

[Signature600]

Originally Posted by DISTURBED

Possible, just seems like the numbers aren't jiving to me.


The pad is only 55x60. 60' of the 120' is just a shed with no concrete. Yes it does have 2" foam board under the tube at 300' loops. They had told me before the boiler would be around $4800 or so. So I'm trying to figure out what the rest of the money is going to.

Then I would think a 200K would be PLENTY of boiler, which would make since with the $4800 price.

If the manifolding is all done already, and the boiler just needs installed, plumbed, and powered, then I have no idea where the other $11K is coming from. Maybe 2 days plumbing, one day on power, and another couple days max to get gas to it. At $100/hr that's $4K, and I don't know many plumbers that can get $100/hr around here.

Chris

[zstroken]

Originally Posted by Signature600

Then I would think a 200K would be PLENTY of boiler, which would make since with the $4800 price.

If the manifolding is all done already, and the boiler just needs installed, plumbed, and powered, then I have no idea where the other $11K is coming from. Maybe 2 days plumbing, one day on power, and another couple days max to get gas to it. At $100/hr that's $4K, and I don't know many plumbers that can get $100/hr around here.

Chris

If they are like some of the HVAC contractors I talked to when doing my GEO, they basically charger MSRP on the equipment and then mark up everything else .

[DISTURBED]

Originally Posted by Signature600

Then I would think a 200K would be PLENTY of boiler, which would make since with the $4800 price.

If the manifolding is all done already, and the boiler just needs installed, plumbed, and powered, then I have no idea where the other $11K is coming from. Maybe 2 days plumbing, one day on power, and another couple days max to get gas to it. At $100/hr that's $4K, and I don't know many plumbers that can get $100/hr around here.

Chris

Im wondering if they didn't mess the quote up and combine the tubing in the floor and the boiler. $8600 for the tubing and install and $4800 for the boiler and the rest for install. They told me the price did not include the tank.

[Signature600]

That could be. Would make sense.
Chris