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08-28-2018, 09:06 AM
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Name: johndeere1
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Guy running dry block wet head question
Changed the setup this year on a open driveline truck. Went with a dry block and a wet head currently running a Meziere water pump. Question is looking at down sizing from the factory radiator and going to a smaller one, so I can re-locate my air water. What radiator has anyone switched to when down sizing that works. Thanks for you input
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08-28-2018, 09:36 AM
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Name: 9724VF350
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3 row Honda Civic radiator with the fabricated aluminum shroud and 12" fan.
Small, light, easy to mount, and about $125 on ebay.
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97 F350 4X4 CC Dually 5spd 24V 913 S300/HT3B Ranch Hand.
Playtoy-Oliver 1655. 12V now , 13mm, S475
Wife's ride-03 Excursion 12V swap in the works.
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08-28-2018, 12:06 PM
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Name: ryanss22
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In running same setup, and am running a 16x18x2" universal radiator and an electric fan blowing out not ducking the heat back into the motor
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96 fummins 12V puller, few other goodies
BUILT NOT BOUGHT!!!! to
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08-28-2018, 05:15 PM
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Name: ramtough01
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Honda civic radiator also here and got a small 9inch electric fan on it
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08-29-2018, 05:16 PM
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Name: prostockpuller
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Depending upon which class you are running and if you have a tow vehicle it really isn't necessary to run water at all.
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08-30-2018, 06:49 AM
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Name: bigstacks95
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Run it empty and throw all the cooling system stuff in the trash. Talk about one less major headache. I have a tow vehicle and a good oil cooler and usually my oil temps are around ~150 after a pass. When I didn't have a tow vehicle they would be around ~180. Two passes per night were not a problem.
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08-30-2018, 11:19 AM
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Name: ComnRailPwr
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Agree. Throw it all away. Put an oil temp sensor in and have fun. You will be surprised how long one can run around without I'll temp getting high.
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08-30-2018, 12:40 PM
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Name: smokinVE
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bigstacks95
Run it empty and throw all the cooling system stuff in the trash. Talk about one less major headache. I have a tow vehicle and a good oil cooler and usually my oil temps are around ~150 after a pass. When I didn't have a tow vehicle they would be around ~180. Two passes per night were not a problem.
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What are you running for an oil cooler?
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I don't think they let hair sniffer twit much. Or the little gay guy. Only the Indian does.
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08-30-2018, 08:19 PM
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Name: prostockpuller
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Most of us do not run an oil cooler. I have an 18 quart oil pan and temps rarely exceed 160 dgrs after a run. Like stated above...throw the water system in the trash for pulling, fill the block and the head as well.
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08-30-2018, 08:24 PM
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Name: dmigz57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by prostockpuller
Most of us do not run an oil cooler. I have an 18 quart oil pan and temps rarely exceed 160 dgrs after a run. Like stated above...throw the water system in the trash for pulling, fill the block and the head as well.
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Let’s say one was on a budget and decided to go dry block/head without filling them. Curious to hear anyone’s opinion...
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08-30-2018, 09:04 PM
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Name: 9724VF350
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Originally Posted by dmigz57
Let’s say one was on a budget and decided to go dry block/head without filling them. Curious to hear anyone’s opinion...
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That’s pretty much pointless. Might as well have a cooling system then.
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Playtoy-Oliver 1655. 12V now , 13mm, S475
Wife's ride-03 Excursion 12V swap in the works.
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08-30-2018, 09:23 PM
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Name: dmigz57
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Originally Posted by 9724VF350
That’s pretty much pointless. Might as well have a cooling system then.
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What’s pointless is that you obviously missed the point in what I was getting at.
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08-30-2018, 09:46 PM
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Name: bigstacks95
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Whats not in the budget for block filler? Its like 50 bucks worth of Hard Blok to do a block and head. Only reason my head is dry is because I bought it used and didnt want the cement to harden up and make it move around.
Also I am running a small Derale cooler with a Petersen releif valve. However I hardly use the fan on the cooler unless I am making two passes or its like 100 degrees out and I have to drive the truck around the pits.
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58 Dodge Power Wagon 3.0 Limited Pro Stock diesel pulling truck
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08-30-2018, 10:13 PM
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Name: dmigz57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bigstacks95
Whats not in the budget for block filler? Its like 50 bucks worth of Hard Blok to do a block and head. Only reason my head is dry is because I bought it used and didnt want the cement to harden up and make it move around.
Also I am running a small Derale cooler with a Petersen releif valve. However I hardly use the fan on the cooler unless I am making two passes or its like 100 degrees out and I have to drive the truck around the pits.
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Budget was probably the wrong choice of word. Basically was wondering of anyone running dry block and no filler. I don’t see how concrete helps all that much
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08-31-2018, 06:53 AM
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Name: red dodge2
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Throw the cooling system parts in the trash. Ran a filled block and a head that wasnt filled for years with no coolant.
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09-02-2018, 05:12 PM
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Name: Persingerpulling
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My block is not filled, but it is a deck plate engine. I’ve seen more then a handful of filled blocks break, I’d say it’s marginal how much it helps for the cylinder pressure we try to push.
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09-04-2018, 08:15 AM
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Name: 9724VF350
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dmigz57
What’s pointless is that you obviously missed the point in what I was getting at.
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If I could, I'd respond with a pic of my ballsack.
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Originally Posted by dmigz57
Budget was probably the wrong choice of word. Basically was wondering of anyone running dry block and no filler. I don’t see how concrete helps all that much
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I don't think it does much more than give people a warm fuzzy feeling.
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97 F350 4X4 CC Dually 5spd 24V 913 S300/HT3B Ranch Hand.
Playtoy-Oliver 1655. 12V now , 13mm, S475
Wife's ride-03 Excursion 12V swap in the works.
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09-04-2018, 11:18 AM
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Name: takedown95
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I like to run a filled block and dry but not filled head. In attempt to save valves I like to get heat out of the head and if needed you can run a leaf blower directly into the head between passes.
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09-04-2018, 12:45 PM
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Name: TheHammer
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Persingerpulling
My block is not filled, but it is a deck plate engine. I’ve seen more then a handful of filled blocks break, I’d say it’s marginal how much it helps for the cylinder pressure we try to push.
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nobody cares about what you are running well besides me. sleeved engines are a much different breed. I would say it depends on the application. imo anyway to add strength to a block or dampn harmonics, the better. I would believe some strength is lost in thermo properties in a empty block. Cylinder heads I am on the fence about filling them. on my engines or heads they are not filled, unless it is for a sponsorship and my arm gets twisted hard enough.
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