Turbocharging a 4020 - Competition Diesel.Com

RustyBolts · 01-09-2012, 10:24 PM

Here within the next couple weeks or so I'll be making a trip up to Anderson Tractor to buy the turbo manifolds I'll need to 'charge the 4020.
Already got the turbo, here's a pic
4020 Turbo_1.JPG
I'm gonna do this one a little differently than most others I've seen. Most either use an M&W kit, or rob the manifolds from a 4320.
With the number of 4320 Manifolds becoming more and more scarce as time goes on, and M&W kits go for a premium, I'll be using the manifolds from a 4430.
The reason for this is three-fold.
Firstly, as previously stated, the 4430 manifolds are much more common, and more affordable than 4320, or M&W manifolds.
Secondly, the forward location of the 4320 exhaust manifold causes the elbow to exit just slightly under the forward edge of the muffler opening in the hood. I don't want to hack up the hood, and I think the more central location of the 4430 exhaust manifold will help alleviate this problem.
Lastly, with the centralized turbo mount I feel as though the flow in and out of the engine will be more balanced than the forward mount of earlier designs.
This is somewhat unchatred territory when it comes to turbocharging a 4010/4020, so I'll do my best to document it all on here.
Updates to come. . .

DISTURBED · 01-09-2012, 10:29 PM

I used a 4430 manifold when i turboed my 4010. 15 years ago.

RustyBolts · 01-09-2012, 10:58 PM

If you don't mind me asking, how did it work out for you as far as fit and finish goes?

DISTURBED · 01-09-2012, 11:03 PM

Had to put a lump on the hood to fit the charger under it

Jim Fulmer · 01-09-2012, 11:17 PM

Intercooler Jeremy or not.....cut my teeth on a 4020, traded it in 79' and got like $6500 for it.

Jim

DISTURBED · 01-09-2012, 11:21 PM

no it wasnt intercooled. It was a hotstock puller. Made around a whopping 300 hp

Jim Fulmer · 01-09-2012, 11:46 PM

That's pretty good, it's rated at 90....1978 was the first pull I went to, the next day I was in the field plowing and doing puller take offs with a chisel in the ground.......13 year old stuff

Jim

cumminspuller · 01-10-2012, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Fulmer

That's pretty good, it's rated at 90....1978 was the first pull I went to, the next day I was in the field plowing and doing puller take offs with a chisel in the ground.......13 year old stuff

Jim

Nice to know I'm not the only one who did that when we were younger!

RustyBolts · 01-10-2012, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DISTURBED

no it wasnt intercooled. It was a hotstock puller. Made around a whopping 300 hp

What size of turbo were you using back then? Was it the TO4 AiResearch like what Deere used, or something bigger like a 3LM Schweitzer?

DISTURBED · 01-10-2012, 10:49 AM

3LM after I blew my M&W up. 3LM wouldn't fit under the hood

4x4dually · 01-10-2012, 10:54 AM

Sweet. I got a '68 4020. That would be so cool.

RustyBolts · 01-10-2012, 10:58 AM

Ok, that makes sense now. Back in the late 70's-early 80's dad had a 4010 he pulled that he ran a 3LM and 4320 manifolds on, and he says that the turbo barely fit under the hood there, and burned the paint off(!). With how the hood tapers, it would make sense that with the turbo being farther back with 4430 exhaust the hood would need bulged out.
Did you strip the hydraulics off your tractor, or leave them intact?

4x4dually · 01-10-2012, 11:02 AM

What year is your tractor, RustyBolts? If you decide to strip off any hydraulics....I'd be glad to have another set of connections on the back.

RustyBolts · 01-10-2012, 11:07 AM

Mines a '65. I'm not wanting to strip the hydraulics off mine, I was just wondering about the clearance between the turbo, and remote control valves. The 4010's and early 4020's had dash mounted rockshaft and scv controls, and the valves were mounted under-hood. The late 4020's (aka Side Console) had the control valve and coupler as one unit.

Jim Fulmer · 01-10-2012, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 4x4dually

Sweet. I got a '68 4020. That would be so cool.

That's what ours was a 68' How about that special reverse not listed, you know the one in the 4th/7th side then all the way past the stop, always wondered why they didn't label it.

Jim

Jim Fulmer · 01-10-2012, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by cumminspuller

Nice to know I'm not the only one who did that when we were younger!

When I was 10 I rode the fender a whole summer learning from my granddad and watching his every move (whole new meaning to raw a$$ from the fender) the next summer I did the same for about a month with me plowing the straight ways and him doing the corners till he refused and made me take the corners, then one day he said stop up here and I did, he jumped off and said, go and see ya later and off I went at 11.......sure miss that old guy, great person and role model.

Jim

DieselAddict1on · 01-10-2012, 12:33 PM

I have a 68 and want to do this in the future. Keep us posted on the project.

4x4dually · 01-10-2012, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Fulmer

How about that special reverse not listed, you know the one in the 4th/7th side then all the way past the stop, always wondered why they didn't label it.

Jim

Going home to try this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Fulmer

When I was 10 I rode the fender a whole summer learning from my granddad and watching his every move (whole new meaning to raw a$$ from the fender) the next summer I did the same for about a month with me plowing the straight ways and him doing the corners till he refused and made me take the corners, then one day he said stop up here and I did, he jumped off and said, go and see ya later and off I went at 11.......sure miss that old guy, great person and role model.

Jim

I think you have taken this story from my diary.

Wow. I miss his old 4020 Wheatland Edition. I tried to find it and buy it back. No luck. I miss the old man too. I don't miss the bare ass on the fender though. And every now and again, a slap in the head by the unbrella sticks.

RustyBolts · 01-10-2012, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Fulmer

That's what ours was a 68' How about that special reverse not listed, you know the one in the 4th/7th side then all the way past the stop, always wondered why they didn't label it.

Jim

My 4020's a Power Shift, but dad's 4520 is a synchro range. Once the Synchro Ranges get a little wear in the shift quadrant, it's real easy to slip em on down into 7R. 4010's actually had it, but 4020 and newer, technically no as it was deemed unsafe to cruise backward at 12 MPH

Howsumever, I'd be lying if I said I've never used it

As far as I know though, a 4010 quadrant will swap right over to a later tractor, or you could get out your die grinder and hogg out the one notch.

4x4dually · 01-10-2012, 01:19 PM

My synchro range linkages are so sloppy I might even be able to find a 6/8R.

01-09-2012, 10:24 PM	#1
RustyBolts Name: RustyBolts Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Racine Ohio Member`s Gallery Posts: 259	Turbocharging a 4020 Here within the next couple weeks or so I'll be making a trip up to Anderson Tractor to buy the turbo manifolds I'll need to 'charge the 4020. Already got the turbo, here's a pic 4020 Turbo_1.JPG I'm gonna do this one a little differently than most others I've seen. Most either use an M&W kit, or rob the manifolds from a 4320. With the number of 4320 Manifolds becoming more and more scarce as time goes on, and M&W kits go for a premium, I'll be using the manifolds from a 4430. The reason for this is three-fold. Firstly, as previously stated, the 4430 manifolds are much more common, and more affordable than 4320, or M&W manifolds. Secondly, the forward location of the 4320 exhaust manifold causes the elbow to exit just slightly under the forward edge of the muffler opening in the hood. I don't want to hack up the hood, and I think the more central location of the 4430 exhaust manifold will help alleviate this problem. Lastly, with the centralized turbo mount I feel as though the flow in and out of the engine will be more balanced than the forward mount of earlier designs. This is somewhat unchatred territory when it comes to turbocharging a 4010/4020, so I'll do my best to document it all on here. Updates to come. . .

01-09-2012, 10:29 PM	#2
DISTURBED Name: DISTURBED Title: YEA WE RIDE THE SHORT BUS Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Winchester, Va Member`s Gallery Posts: 6,417	I used a 4430 manifold when i turboed my 4010. 15 years ago. __________________ Thanks, Jeremy 01 CTD Retired sled puller, dedicated "Twin Turbo" tow rig 96 CTD "TOO" Disturbed 3.0 - Built by Disturbed Diesel Performance 96 CTD "The Sickness" 2.6/2.8- Built by Disturbed Diesel Performance

01-09-2012, 11:03 PM	#4
DISTURBED Name: DISTURBED Title: YEA WE RIDE THE SHORT BUS Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Winchester, Va Member`s Gallery Posts: 6,417	Had to put a lump on the hood to fit the charger under it __________________ Thanks, Jeremy 01 CTD Retired sled puller, dedicated "Twin Turbo" tow rig 96 CTD "TOO" Disturbed 3.0 - Built by Disturbed Diesel Performance 96 CTD "The Sickness" 2.6/2.8- Built by Disturbed Diesel Performance

01-09-2012, 11:17 PM	#5
Jim Fulmer Name: Jim Fulmer Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2006 Location: Quanah Tx. Member`s Gallery Posts: 5,013	Intercooler Jeremy or not.....cut my teeth on a 4020, traded it in 79' and got like $6500 for it. Jim __________________ 01' 12V, S/B, Q/C, 4WD 98' 12V, S/B, Q/C, 2WD

01-09-2012, 11:21 PM	#6
DISTURBED Name: DISTURBED Title: YEA WE RIDE THE SHORT BUS Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Winchester, Va Member`s Gallery Posts: 6,417	no it wasnt intercooled. It was a hotstock puller. Made around a whopping 300 hp __________________ Thanks, Jeremy 01 CTD Retired sled puller, dedicated "Twin Turbo" tow rig 96 CTD "TOO" Disturbed 3.0 - Built by Disturbed Diesel Performance 96 CTD "The Sickness" 2.6/2.8- Built by Disturbed Diesel Performance

01-09-2012, 10:58 PM	#3
RustyBolts Name: RustyBolts Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Racine Ohio Member`s Gallery Posts: 259	If you don't mind me asking, how did it work out for you as far as fit and finish goes?

01-09-2012, 11:46 PM	#7
Jim Fulmer Name: Jim Fulmer Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2006 Location: Quanah Tx. Member`s Gallery Posts: 5,013	That's pretty good, it's rated at 90....1978 was the first pull I went to, the next day I was in the field plowing and doing puller take offs with a chisel in the ground.......13 year old stuff Jim __________________ 01' 12V, S/B, Q/C, 4WD 98' 12V, S/B, Q/C, 2WD

01-10-2012, 10:49 AM	#10
DISTURBED Name: DISTURBED Title: YEA WE RIDE THE SHORT BUS Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Winchester, Va Member`s Gallery Posts: 6,417	3LM after I blew my M&W up. 3LM wouldn't fit under the hood __________________ Thanks, Jeremy 01 CTD Retired sled puller, dedicated "Twin Turbo" tow rig 96 CTD "TOO" Disturbed 3.0 - Built by Disturbed Diesel Performance 96 CTD "The Sickness" 2.6/2.8- Built by Disturbed Diesel Performance

01-10-2012, 10:54 AM	#11
4x4dually Name: 4x4dually Title: Moderator Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Stillwater, OK Member`s Gallery Posts: 31,812	Sweet. I got a '68 4020. That would be so cool. __________________ Jory 2009 4x4 3500 MCLB "There are people far less intelligent than you making a living doing this stuff." - Jeff Mumau

01-10-2012, 10:58 AM	#12
RustyBolts Name: RustyBolts Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Racine Ohio Member`s Gallery Posts: 259	Ok, that makes sense now. Back in the late 70's-early 80's dad had a 4010 he pulled that he ran a 3LM and 4320 manifolds on, and he says that the turbo barely fit under the hood there, and burned the paint off(!). With how the hood tapers, it would make sense that with the turbo being farther back with 4430 exhaust the hood would need bulged out. Did you strip the hydraulics off your tractor, or leave them intact?

01-10-2012, 11:02 AM	#13
4x4dually Name: 4x4dually Title: Moderator Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Stillwater, OK Member`s Gallery Posts: 31,812	What year is your tractor, RustyBolts? If you decide to strip off any hydraulics....I'd be glad to have another set of connections on the back.

01-10-2012, 11:07 AM	#14
RustyBolts Name: RustyBolts Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Racine Ohio Member`s Gallery Posts: 259	Mines a '65. I'm not wanting to strip the hydraulics off mine, I was just wondering about the clearance between the turbo, and remote control valves. The 4010's and early 4020's had dash mounted rockshaft and scv controls, and the valves were mounted under-hood. The late 4020's (aka Side Console) had the control valve and coupler as one unit.

01-10-2012, 12:33 PM	#17
DieselAddict1on Name: DieselAddict1on Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: North Carolina Member`s Gallery Posts: 810	I have a 68 and want to do this in the future. Keep us posted on the project. __________________ 12 Valve

01-10-2012, 01:19 PM	#20
4x4dually Name: 4x4dually Title: Moderator Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Stillwater, OK Member`s Gallery Posts: 31,812	My synchro range linkages are so sloppy I might even be able to find a 6/8R.