Advertisement |
|
|
|
If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above.
You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed.
To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.
|
12-03-2016, 09:32 PM
|
#21
|
Name: ndaniels
Title: Diesel Enthusiast
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Englewood, OH
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 176
|
My only thought is the fact it doesn't have a sprung hub would make the triple a harder on the trans.
I've run Dans triple in my current tuck for a little while and honestly it shifted faster than the dual disc. Engagement got a little rougher than what I wanted as it broke in, and finally I decided one morning to pull it back out (I tow some).
I replaced it with a steet dual disc from Peter- I've ran those before in my old second gens and they're great for towing and can hold some decent power. If I go any bigger in hp, my only choice for my truck would be the triple tho.
That triple is an awesome clutch and a really impressive piece. If I didn't tow and want better street manners, I'd still have it in the truck. For me and my type of driving the dual disc is perfect.
For you, I think the triple would be a better fit imho. I'm thinking ceramic dual disc should be worse on engagement and clutch life expectancy wouldn't be as good as the triple.
__________________
2018 2500 crewcab, 4wd, g56, mostly stock
2007.5 2500 quadcab, 2wd, G56, SouthBend sdd, 625s, Exergy 10mm cp3 w/60% overs, cast 467.7/83/.9, BD inline brake, Hamilton 103 springs w/e.duty pushrods, Caltracs 743/1502 on old tuning
|
|
|
12-03-2016, 09:45 PM
|
#22
|
Name: BRE
Title: Too Much Time
Status: Not Here
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Southwest MO
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 12,705
|
This is why I say I have to keep towing in mind.
Yes the truck typically doesn't move from m-f unless I just get the urge to drive it, but it still needs to do truck things.
Keep in mind, this truck (if the stars align correctly and who knows when) will be 650hp tops.
I'd rather go with a dual disk and replace it every now and then, than put a triple in and hate the truck. Or vise versa etc.
I just have a huge feeling in my gut, the street dual disk with organic disks, will not last with me behind it.
__________________
Rick
07 Dodge 3500 - Tow mirrors, silencer ring MIA, Spectra air filter.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfaulkner
There really is nothing better than OEM. That goes for anything from turbos to boobs.
|
RIP Dex KCCO
|
|
|
12-03-2016, 09:55 PM
|
#23
|
Name: ndaniels
Title: Diesel Enthusiast
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Englewood, OH
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 176
|
Man, seeing you really use your truck for towing and 650ish is where you're planning on ending up, I would just go with a steet dual disc. I know I wouldn't really be happy with towing and that triple. I could make it work but it'd be a pia. If a full ceramic dual disc engaged the same or worse, forget it...
I mean how hard are you on clutches, really?
__________________
2018 2500 crewcab, 4wd, g56, mostly stock
2007.5 2500 quadcab, 2wd, G56, SouthBend sdd, 625s, Exergy 10mm cp3 w/60% overs, cast 467.7/83/.9, BD inline brake, Hamilton 103 springs w/e.duty pushrods, Caltracs 743/1502 on old tuning
Last edited by ndaniels; 12-03-2016 at 09:58 PM.
|
|
|
12-03-2016, 09:58 PM
|
#24
|
Name: BRE
Title: Too Much Time
Status: Not Here
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Southwest MO
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 12,705
|
Clutch questions
Quote:
Originally Posted by ndaniels
Man, seeing you really use your truck for towing and 650ish is where you're planning on ending up, I would just go with a steet dual disc. I know I wouldn't really be happy with towing and that triple. I could make it work but it'd be a pia.
|
I don't foresee a ceramic dual being any better than the triple though... however that's why I'm asking these questions.
I'd love to just buy an organic dual but I know I'll fawk it up in short order...
__________________
Rick
07 Dodge 3500 - Tow mirrors, silencer ring MIA, Spectra air filter.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfaulkner
There really is nothing better than OEM. That goes for anything from turbos to boobs.
|
RIP Dex KCCO
Last edited by BRE; 12-03-2016 at 10:03 PM.
|
|
|
12-03-2016, 10:03 PM
|
#25
|
Name: ndaniels
Title: Diesel Enthusiast
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Englewood, OH
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 176
|
Just saw you are considering sled pulling some possibly..... you're screwed. Lol
Going to have to have a grabby clutch either way if you want it to last.
__________________
2018 2500 crewcab, 4wd, g56, mostly stock
2007.5 2500 quadcab, 2wd, G56, SouthBend sdd, 625s, Exergy 10mm cp3 w/60% overs, cast 467.7/83/.9, BD inline brake, Hamilton 103 springs w/e.duty pushrods, Caltracs 743/1502 on old tuning
|
|
|
12-03-2016, 10:06 PM
|
#26
|
Name: BRE
Title: Too Much Time
Status: Not Here
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Southwest MO
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 12,705
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ndaniels
Just saw you are considering sled pulling some possibly..... you're screwed. Lol
Going to have to have a grabby clutch either way if you want it to last.
|
This is where I'm beating my head on the wall. Hahaha.
The truck may never get pulled, but I basically wanna have the option.
I know clutches are give and take, just don't know where I should give and take with my exact scenario. Lol
I have this bad problem where I like to over do things for those moments that I take a notion to do some stupid burnout or, that stupid truck pull, or that stupid hey watch this moment.... I like to be prepared for what I call "me".
__________________
Rick
07 Dodge 3500 - Tow mirrors, silencer ring MIA, Spectra air filter.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfaulkner
There really is nothing better than OEM. That goes for anything from turbos to boobs.
|
RIP Dex KCCO
|
|
|
12-03-2016, 10:52 PM
|
#27
|
Name: 95cummins5.9
Title: Old man ***** gossiper
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: U.S.A
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 4,715
|
Ceramic on one side and organic/feramic on the other on my 3250. It's been slipped a bunch. Still holding well with decent manners.
|
|
|
12-03-2016, 10:59 PM
|
#28
|
Name: zfaylor
Title: Comp Diesel Sponsor
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: P-TOWN!, Indiana
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 5,024
|
My 3850 was god awful towing. Go or no go. Slipping it at all under 2000rpm meant lots and lots of jumping. Needless to say my dash had a few cracks
__________________
2015 half ton heavy chevy
81 Fairmont LS project
Many yard ornament projects...
North American Turbo
|
|
|
12-04-2016, 08:26 AM
|
#29
|
Name: ndaniels
Title: Diesel Enthusiast
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Englewood, OH
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 176
|
My thought is with the extra discs of the triple you should have better engagement and the ability to better modulate the clutch when you need to over a dual competition clutch.. call Dan and let us know what he thinks, cause now I'm curious!
I could live with the triple if I had to...the one truck I've driven with a competition dual disc I couldn't. Plate load was a lot higher and taking off smoothly was damn near impossible. With the triple I could take off smoothly. The triples pedal effort was even lighter than stock and lighter than my street dual.
__________________
2018 2500 crewcab, 4wd, g56, mostly stock
2007.5 2500 quadcab, 2wd, G56, SouthBend sdd, 625s, Exergy 10mm cp3 w/60% overs, cast 467.7/83/.9, BD inline brake, Hamilton 103 springs w/e.duty pushrods, Caltracs 743/1502 on old tuning
|
|
|
12-06-2016, 02:47 PM
|
#30
|
Name: Valair1
Title: Valair Inc. Clutch
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Crowley Texas
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 2,498
|
I'd do the street dual ceramic, also I only recommend a triple for trucks making over 750 hp, they are a solid hub design and not designed for extended idling, but if your over 750 hp and in a manual, a dual won't last long, but neither will the tranny lol
|
|
|
12-06-2016, 03:24 PM
|
#31
|
Name: BRE
Title: Too Much Time
Status: Not Here
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Southwest MO
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 12,705
|
Well, the man has spoke. Decision made... I gotta call you guys first of next week anyhow. Might just order it then.
__________________
Rick
07 Dodge 3500 - Tow mirrors, silencer ring MIA, Spectra air filter.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfaulkner
There really is nothing better than OEM. That goes for anything from turbos to boobs.
|
RIP Dex KCCO
|
|
|
12-07-2016, 05:44 AM
|
#32
|
Name: 12valvetater
Title: Too Much Time
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: St. Thomas, PA
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 464
|
For what it's worth I have Kenny's ceramic double in my pickup and I couldn't be happier. It isn't terribly jumpy other than in reverse with a heavy trailer. I'm at 450/1100 I know that's not the 650 you are wanting but this is the best holding nicest driving clutch I've ever had and the smoothest of all the doubles I've driven. I haven't sled pulled but it's been through 4wd launches in the field grossing at 30k, spinning tires through 3rd on pavement at that weight, and lots of 4th gear burnouts. It has some clutch rattle but nothing like some of thr others I've been around.
__________________
97 12 valve 4x4 NV
She ain't pretty but she puts out
|
|
|
12-07-2016, 08:36 AM
|
#33
|
Name: Poulina
Title: Too Much Time
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Norcal
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 795
|
Idk how my southbend 3250 has lasted as long as it has... SF hills beat this poor thing up. I'm most likely going with a street dual disk again. I like the crispness of a dual disk if that makes any sense.
__________________
2008 QCLB 6.8 48re Suncoast PCS, DDP supermentals, forcedinductions 467/87, Hamilton 188/220, Carrillos, studded mains w/stock girdle
|
|
|
12-07-2016, 08:48 AM
|
#34
|
Name: jwbeggs
Title: Rookie
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Jul 2016
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 3
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Valair1
I'd do the street dual ceramic, also I only recommend a triple for trucks making over 750 hp, they are a solid hub design and not designed for extended idling, but if your over 750 hp and in a manual, a dual won't last long, but neither will the tranny lol
|
What is your opinion on the driving characteristics of a triple versus a ceramic dual disc? I have read that triples are a lot smoother, and have a lot lighter pedal. Would you say this is true?
I have a couple buddies that are trying to convince me to go sintered iron instead of a triple. Being a high HP street truck not a sled puller I'm really skeptical on that option.
__________________
2012 SCLB G56: Stainless S467.7, Fleece dual CP3's, EFI Live, FASS 220, Valair dual disc
|
|
|
12-07-2016, 11:30 PM
|
#35
|
Name: 99 7.3
Title: Too Much Time
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: michigan
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 322
|
I like my dual disc valair. I can't remember the particulars on it, but I wouldn't go back. Even if its grabby and makes noise.
__________________
09' 6.7 Handshaker & the usual stuff
|
|
|
12-08-2016, 11:08 AM
|
#36
|
Name: Valair1
Title: Valair Inc. Clutch
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Crowley Texas
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 2,498
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by jwbeggs
What is your opinion on the driving characteristics of a triple versus a ceramic dual disc? I have read that triples are a lot smoother, and have a lot lighter pedal. Would you say this is true?
I have a couple buddies that are trying to convince me to go sintered iron instead of a triple. Being a high HP street truck not a sled puller I'm really skeptical on that option.
|
The triple does have better street manners than the dual, however unless your over 750 hp I would stick with the street dual because of the solid hubs in the triple.
|
|
|
02-14-2017, 11:41 AM
|
#37
|
Name: cerickson
Title: fullpull108
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: sw mo
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 1,071
|
Rick did you get the clutch yet? Asking because I'm looking at selling my 02 6 SPD and getting a newer 6 SPD. Wanting to get into an 07 to maybe 10 2500 or 3500. I'm wanting to get a manual trans over the auto being the only option is the 68re or aisin. I'm looking at EFI and clutch for now upgrade on the performance side. I'm just old school and prefer shifting. A clutch is cheaper than a rebuilt auto.
__________________
Chad
Mine: 2008 Dodge 3500 megacab 4x4 drw 6 SPD stick. Anarchy EFI, Flo Pro egr delete, 5" straight pipe, Edge cts2
Wifes: 2006 Dodge 3500 megacab 4X4 drw goerend auto, 4 inch straight pipe, S&B cai, FASS 150 pump, EFI live by Anarchy
|
|
|
02-14-2017, 04:23 PM
|
#38
|
Name: BRE
Title: Too Much Time
Status: Not Here
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Southwest MO
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 12,705
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by cerickson
Rick did you get the clutch yet? Asking because I'm looking at selling my 02 6 SPD and getting a newer 6 SPD. Wanting to get into an 07 to maybe 10 2500 or 3500. I'm wanting to get a manual trans over the auto being the only option is the 68re or aisin. I'm looking at EFI and clutch for now upgrade on the performance side. I'm just old school and prefer shifting. A clutch is cheaper than a rebuilt auto.
|
Yes sir, I've had it. It's still sitting in the box in the floor like it has for the past 1.5 months.
__________________
Rick
07 Dodge 3500 - Tow mirrors, silencer ring MIA, Spectra air filter.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfaulkner
There really is nothing better than OEM. That goes for anything from turbos to boobs.
|
RIP Dex KCCO
|
|
|
02-24-2017, 03:26 AM
|
#39
|
Name: BlackBetty6.7
Title: Rookie
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Aug 2016
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 17
|
I put in a quiet dual disk a couple months ago on my 2015 and can hardly hear the clutch at idle. I changed the tranny fluid also. Guess I got lucky with the noise.
|
|
|
02-24-2017, 07:26 AM
|
#40
|
Name: BRE
Title: Too Much Time
Status: Not Here
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Southwest MO
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 12,705
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackBetty6.7
I put in a quiet dual disk a couple months ago on my 2015 and can hardly hear the clutch at idle. I changed the tranny fluid also. Guess I got lucky with the noise.
|
With a quiet one, it's gonna be fairly quiet. The last one of dans I put in was essentially silent.
__________________
Rick
07 Dodge 3500 - Tow mirrors, silencer ring MIA, Spectra air filter.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfaulkner
There really is nothing better than OEM. That goes for anything from turbos to boobs.
|
RIP Dex KCCO
|
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:07 PM.
|