| Advertisement |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above.
You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed.
To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.
|
08-25-2019, 08:39 PM
|
#21
|
Name: BigPapa
Title: Truckless
Status:
Here
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Springfield, TN
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 5,040
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2004cuminz
In the picture where big papa has the arrow is a crack. i touched it and it moved inword toward the wheel. Fins are mangled on sides also like it rubbed on it where the crack is.
|
If this is the case, I’d say the housing failed and damaged the wheel or the wheel came apart and damaged the housing. Either way, the flying wheel pieces would then be the debris.
__________________
Scott
2003 Avalanche Z71
Common sense is like deodorant. The people that need it most never use it.
Last edited by BigPapa; 08-25-2019 at 08:40 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
08-25-2019, 09:34 PM
|
#22
|
Name: 2004cuminz
Title: Diesel Enthusiast
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Dec 2018
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 165
|
Well this was my thought. I am no expert on turbos but thats what my common sense was telling me also. This is why i posted to get other opinions. Im calling tate tomorrow so ill see what happens. It could have been caused by something else but i cleaned everything off and had a brand new filter put in. Its a bummer for sure
__________________
2004.5 quad cab sb. Ppe dual fueler kit,170% over ii injectors,68/68 tatorbuilt turbo.homemade 5in cold air intake, 150psi map sensor, headstuds,pushrods and valvesprings.
|
|
|
|
|
08-26-2019, 12:07 AM
|
#23
|
Name: thatguy69
Title: Too Much Time
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Mansfield Ohio
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 2,023
|
Let us know the outcome
__________________
1999 Compound 24v Rust Rocket
2008 F350 P24v/Allison
|
|
|
|
|
08-26-2019, 12:48 AM
|
#24
|
Name: 2004cuminz
Title: Diesel Enthusiast
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Dec 2018
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 165
|
Will do
__________________
2004.5 quad cab sb. Ppe dual fueler kit,170% over ii injectors,68/68 tatorbuilt turbo.homemade 5in cold air intake, 150psi map sensor, headstuds,pushrods and valvesprings.
|
|
|
|
|
08-26-2019, 03:12 AM
|
#25
|
Name: mhuggler
Title: One piece at a time
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Uno, Pa.
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 1,523
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigPapa
If this is the case, I’d say the housing failed and damaged the wheel or the wheel came apart and damaged the housing. Either way, the flying wheel pieces would then be the debris.
|
Failure analysis is all about finding the root cause of the problem. There is a remote possibility that there was an inclusion in the wheel casting the caused that missing piece to break off and crack the housing; I'd need about 3 seconds with an eye loupe to answer that for sure. But it's much more likely to be debris introduced into the intake, especially when you look at the damaged surrounding areas. Something was playing pinball in there for a while.
__________________
2002 2500 4x4 ETH/DEE-F1 Mach 5's/62/65/12/Smarty/ATS Ex.manifold/AFE intake/TST Comp./.020 marine gasket/o-ringed/ARP studs/5"stacks/Airdog 150/Isspro guages/Southbend 3600 DD/3.54 gears/leveling kit/Bilstein 5100frt,5150rr/37" BFG A/T's on 18" Eagle 114's/Borgeson SS/DSS
|
|
|
|
|
08-26-2019, 07:50 AM
|
#26
|
Name: zfaylor
Title: Comp Diesel Sponsor
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: P-TOWN!, Indiana
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 5,024
|
What condition was the turbo in that you removed to install this one? ie was the previous turbo popped or failed in any way?
__________________
2015 half ton heavy chevy
81 Fairmont LS project
Many yard ornament projects...
North American Turbo
|
|
|
|
|
08-26-2019, 09:17 AM
|
#27
|
Name: BigPapa
Title: Truckless
Status:
Here
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Springfield, TN
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 5,040
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by mhuggler
Failure analysis is all about finding the root cause of the problem.
|
Well, why didn't you say you were in the turbo business? I'm not in the turbo business. I just didn't want to make a snap-judgement Failure Analysis that the OP was lying about running a filter. Seems to me if debris of any size had been "playing pinball in there for a while", there would be much more extensive damage and if the debris were smaller it would have gone on through without "playing pinball in there for a while".
__________________
Scott
2003 Avalanche Z71
Common sense is like deodorant. The people that need it most never use it.
|
|
|
|
|
08-26-2019, 09:28 AM
|
#28
|
Name: 2004cuminz
Title: Diesel Enthusiast
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Dec 2018
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 165
|
Its had a filter on it i promise im just in aww
__________________
2004.5 quad cab sb. Ppe dual fueler kit,170% over ii injectors,68/68 tatorbuilt turbo.homemade 5in cold air intake, 150psi map sensor, headstuds,pushrods and valvesprings.
|
|
|
|
|
08-26-2019, 11:00 AM
|
#29
|
Name: 2004cuminz
Title: Diesel Enthusiast
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Dec 2018
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 165
|
350 to fix mine or 1000 i can have a 476
__________________
2004.5 quad cab sb. Ppe dual fueler kit,170% over ii injectors,68/68 tatorbuilt turbo.homemade 5in cold air intake, 150psi map sensor, headstuds,pushrods and valvesprings.
|
|
|
|
|
08-26-2019, 11:19 AM
|
#30
|
Name: fatty
Title: VE
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: SW Idaho
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 959
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by zfaylor
What condition was the turbo in that you removed to install this one? ie was the previous turbo popped or failed in any way?
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2004cuminz
Its had a filter on it i promise im just in aww
|
What about the turbo that was on it before?
__________________
91.5 W250
2019 F350
|
|
|
|
|
08-26-2019, 11:23 AM
|
#31
|
Name: mhuggler
Title: One piece at a time
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Uno, Pa.
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 1,523
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigPapa
Well, why didn't you say you were in the turbo business? I'm not in the turbo business. I just didn't want to make a snap-judgement Failure Analysis that the OP was lying about running a filter. Seems to me if debris of any size had been "playing pinball in there for a while", there would be much more extensive damage and if the debris were smaller it would have gone on through without "playing pinball in there for a while".
|
I know I'm going to regret bringing this to light because it never fails for it to cause people to get their panties in a twist for some reason, but I am a factory trained failure analyst from Caterpillar. Spent some time in Peoria for that one. I have literally studied and analyzed hundreds upon hundreds of failed turbos since then. I realize now I probably came across a little arrogant at first. I really didn't mean that, it's just something I've seen a zillion times so I'm pretty darn sure I know what I'm looking at, that's all. No, I am not a turbo expert; I just like looking at stuff that went boom! 
__________________
2002 2500 4x4 ETH/DEE-F1 Mach 5's/62/65/12/Smarty/ATS Ex.manifold/AFE intake/TST Comp./.020 marine gasket/o-ringed/ARP studs/5"stacks/Airdog 150/Isspro guages/Southbend 3600 DD/3.54 gears/leveling kit/Bilstein 5100frt,5150rr/37" BFG A/T's on 18" Eagle 114's/Borgeson SS/DSS
|
|
|
|
|
08-26-2019, 12:06 PM
|
#32
|
Name: zfaylor
Title: Comp Diesel Sponsor
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: P-TOWN!, Indiana
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 5,024
|
Foreign debris damage is very common and it always looks like this. If the cracked housing had made contact with the compressor enough to damage it I promise this would be a much uglier picture. Something had to make its way to the compressor wheel. The most common is pieces from a previously failed turbo being ingested back into the new turbo.
__________________
2015 half ton heavy chevy
81 Fairmont LS project
Many yard ornament projects...
North American Turbo
|
|
|
|
|
08-26-2019, 12:42 PM
|
#33
|
Name: BigPapa
Title: Truckless
Status:
Here
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Springfield, TN
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 5,040
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by mhuggler
I am a factory trained failure analyst from Caterpillar....No, I am not a turbo expert; I just like looking at stuff that went boom! |
Excellent. Thanks for the explanation. I trust your judgement. I WAS being a bit of a smart asss. I assumed you were one of these keyboard experts and was not aware that you actually do know what you're talking about.
Quote:
Originally Posted by zfaylor
The most common is pieces from a previously failed turbo being ingested back into the new turbo.
|
I didn't think of this. You guys definitely know your stuff.
__________________
Scott
2003 Avalanche Z71
Common sense is like deodorant. The people that need it most never use it.
|
|
|
|
|
08-26-2019, 01:17 PM
|
#34
|
Name: biggy238
Title: Too Much Time
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Just North of Wrong
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 10,868
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by mhuggler
I know I'm going to regret bringing this to light because it never fails for it to cause people to get their panties in a twist for some reason, but I am a factory trained failure analyst from Caterpillar. Spent some time in Peoria for that one. I have literally studied and analyzed hundreds upon hundreds of failed turbos since then. I realize now I probably came across a little arrogant at first. I really didn't mean that, it's just something I've seen a zillion times so I'm pretty darn sure I know what I'm looking at, that's all. No, I am not a turbo expert; I just like looking at stuff that went boom! |
Haha saw this coming. I always wanted to go to the mother ship for this training.
Something to consider:
If you have a catastrophic failure of a turbocharger, is so far that it's can't impart force on the air charge any longer, then the pressurized air mass in your intake tract will blow the debris from the failure outward and into the tubing and filter media, and as mentioned by others, it can hide there.
Sent from my motorola one vision using Tapatalk
__________________
Check out @bdmaximusworx
05.5 Campanella White TDi Jetta 5spd 45.5MPG
-Little Sexy
'10 Silver F250 CCLB 4X4 6.4L cummins Swapped
Insta @trash.panda250
|
|
|
|
|
08-26-2019, 02:00 PM
|
#35
|
Name: 79powerwagon
Title: Too Much Time
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: MN
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 328
|
Pulled several embedded slivers out of the intake boot from this one
__________________
1979 Dodge Warlock W150 Ppump 12v/518
|
|
|
|
|
08-26-2019, 06:38 PM
|
#36
|
Name: 2004cuminz
Title: Diesel Enthusiast
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Dec 2018
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 165
|
Previous turbo was stock in fine working order. What is the best way to clean the foreign debri out so this dont happen to new turbo.
__________________
2004.5 quad cab sb. Ppe dual fueler kit,170% over ii injectors,68/68 tatorbuilt turbo.homemade 5in cold air intake, 150psi map sensor, headstuds,pushrods and valvesprings.
|
|
|
|
|
08-26-2019, 07:36 PM
|
#37
|
Name: mhuggler
Title: One piece at a time
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Uno, Pa.
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 1,523
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2004cuminz
Previous turbo was stock in fine working order. What is the best way to clean the foreign debri out so this dont happen to new turbo.
|
Completely disassemble everything up stream and down. Leave no stone unturned.
__________________
2002 2500 4x4 ETH/DEE-F1 Mach 5's/62/65/12/Smarty/ATS Ex.manifold/AFE intake/TST Comp./.020 marine gasket/o-ringed/ARP studs/5"stacks/Airdog 150/Isspro guages/Southbend 3600 DD/3.54 gears/leveling kit/Bilstein 5100frt,5150rr/37" BFG A/T's on 18" Eagle 114's/Borgeson SS/DSS
|
|
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:43 PM.
|
