Who is running a batmowheel charger and at what HP? - Competition Diesel.Com

tcalvin · 08-24-2011, 11:55 PM

Well, first off. I'm not looking to throw anyone under a bus (yet). I just had a batmowheel failure and I'm curious to see who else is running one and at what power level. What are you doing with the truck; race, pull, dd, etc.? What kind of temps and psi are you all seeing, with spray and/or without? Need some input. Thanks

thepitts5 · 08-24-2011, 11:59 PM

What were you doing at the time of failure?

tcalvin · 08-25-2011, 12:09 AM

Driving home from work

shiftycapone · 08-25-2011, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by tcalvin

Driving home from work

Thats considered competition by some

Sh1tty luck man, sorry for the failure.

thepitts5 · 08-25-2011, 12:18 AM

lol...I figured you would provide the same information that you are asking for.

tcalvin · 08-25-2011, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by thepitts5

What were you doing at the time of failure?

The truck is at 600-650hp on fuel +/- dependent on tuning. Wastegated at about 45-48psi; 51-52psi on nitrous. Never sees over 1400 degrees. I was driving down I20 accelerating in overdrive at about 2/3rd's throttle to pass someone. 70mph-75mph and kaboom. No warning. Less than 300 miles on charger. It's made four 1/8 mile passes on squeeze.

tcalvin · 08-25-2011, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by shiftycapone

Thats considered competition by some

Sh1tty luck man, sorry for the failure.

The turbo isn't my main concern, but yeah...

thepitts5 · 08-25-2011, 12:32 AM

Ouch.. so it's a shaft or bearing failure then. Probably a result of the nos and over speed.

tcalvin · 08-25-2011, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by thepitts5

Ouch.. so it's a shaft or bearing failure then. Probably a result of the nos and over speed.

I was clear about my goals for the charger when I was discussing it's purchase. I do believe it was shaft failure; I don't believe it should have failed like it did. But, maybe you're right; too bad it didn't happen while being sprayed- I'd feel more to blame if it had. If it weren't for bad luck though; I'd have no luck at all.

tcalvin · 08-25-2011, 12:40 AM

Still curious as to who all is running one; especially if they're using nitrous. Would like as much information as possible. I feel like this thing should have lasted a little longer.

JasonCzerak · 08-25-2011, 06:34 AM

is the center section s330 based? the 330 series chargers have a bigger shaft over the 300's. my Ed 330/66 is run to 58psi and barked more often then I'd like to really admit

huhta99 · 08-25-2011, 07:58 AM

thepitts5 · 08-25-2011, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by JasonCzerak

is the center section s330 based? the 330 series chargers have a bigger shaft over the 300's. my Ed 330/66 is run to 58psi and barked more often then I'd like to really admit

Good question. I bet it's the smaller shaft.

tcalvin · 08-25-2011, 08:27 AM

It's a regular 300 series center section/shaft. Looks like it's a result of nitrous; even though the failure was after the fact. Sucks because I was clear about my goals with the charger before it was sold to me. Should've known better I guess.

Acorn 616 · 08-25-2011, 08:29 AM

Have you been in contact with the person you bought it from, before posting failures on the Internet?

MCForstenRacing · 08-25-2011, 08:42 AM

I have ran 2 batmowheel chargers my s400 is still in running order, the s300 looks almost identical to yours. 300 feet before the finish line at the nhrda event at Virginia motorsports park blew it to pieces.

MCForstenRacing · 08-25-2011, 08:52 AM

I did forget to add it was the first pass on that charger yes I was spraying it. My horsepower is unknown haven't been on a dyno in a while that pass I coasted a 10.6. It was a 66mm charger

Acorn 616 · 08-25-2011, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MCForstenRacing

I did forget to add it was the first pass on that charger yes I was spraying it. My horsepower is unknown haven't been on a dyno in a while that pass I coasted a 10.6. It was a 66mm charger

I've always been told that a 300 shaft couldn't stay together at that level. That's just what I've been told, and I've never tried it.

*Big Blue24* · 08-25-2011, 09:36 AM

At the most recent NADM event in Utah, I spoke with someone at the HTT tent for a good 30 minutes. He claimed that they have repaired 4 or 5 of the "batmowheeled" chargers. His opinion was that the leading edge provides all the support for the tips of the blades, and when you mill down the leading edge to create the batmo profile, you loose support and the compressor becomes fragile.

He said the typical failure mode is compressor blades start to deteriorate, chunks break off, then the imbalance causes blade to compressor cover contact which in a matter of seconds causes complete failure.

I personally have not seen a batmowheeled turbo so I cant give a personal opinion. I also acknowledge that HTT is in direct competition with everything else in the diesel turbo market so their opinion is likely biased to some extent.

MCForstenRacing · 08-25-2011, 09:43 AM

I believe you are correct Acorn I am not here to bash anyone just sharing my experience. We ran that charger for a reason another vp truck making 4 digit horsepower was running the exact same size and has for several years and has not had any failures one pass and boom with that batmowheel. My wheel looked exactly that same as the OP. Again Im not mad or here to bash a product just showing what happened.

08-24-2011, 11:55 PM	#1
tcalvin Name: tcalvin Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Midland, Texas Member`s Gallery Posts: 629	Who is running a batmowheel charger and at what HP? Well, first off. I'm not looking to throw anyone under a bus (yet). I just had a batmowheel failure and I'm curious to see who else is running one and at what power level. What are you doing with the truck; race, pull, dd, etc.? What kind of temps and psi are you all seeing, with spray and/or without? Need some input. Thanks __________________ ‘11 6.7 G56. ’16 Superduty

08-25-2011, 12:09 AM	#3
tcalvin Name: tcalvin Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Midland, Texas Member`s Gallery Posts: 629	Driving home from work __________________ ‘11 6.7 G56. ’16 Superduty

08-25-2011, 12:40 AM	#10
tcalvin Name: tcalvin Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Midland, Texas Member`s Gallery Posts: 629	Still curious as to who all is running one; especially if they're using nitrous. Would like as much information as possible. I feel like this thing should have lasted a little longer. __________________ ‘11 6.7 G56. ’16 Superduty

08-25-2011, 06:34 AM	#11
JasonCzerak Name: JasonCzerak Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Bella Vista, AR Member`s Gallery Posts: 14,822	is the center section s330 based? the 330 series chargers have a bigger shaft over the 300's. my Ed 330/66 is run to 58psi and barked more often then I'd like to really admit __________________ 2014 Mercedes Benz E63s - 620awhp 2006 Corvette - 1000whp-ish

08-25-2011, 08:27 AM	#14
tcalvin Name: tcalvin Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Midland, Texas Member`s Gallery Posts: 629	It's a regular 300 series center section/shaft. Looks like it's a result of nitrous; even though the failure was after the fact. Sucks because I was clear about my goals with the charger before it was sold to me. Should've known better I guess. __________________ ‘11 6.7 G56. ’16 Superduty

08-24-2011, 11:59 PM	#2
thepitts5 Name: thepitts5 Title: Diesel Enthusiast Status: Not Here Join Date: Jun 2011 Member`s Gallery Posts: 157	What were you doing at the time of failure?

08-25-2011, 12:18 AM	#5
thepitts5 Name: thepitts5 Title: Diesel Enthusiast Status: Not Here Join Date: Jun 2011 Member`s Gallery Posts: 157	lol...I figured you would provide the same information that you are asking for.

08-25-2011, 12:32 AM	#8
thepitts5 Name: thepitts5 Title: Diesel Enthusiast Status: Not Here Join Date: Jun 2011 Member`s Gallery Posts: 157	Ouch.. so it's a shaft or bearing failure then. Probably a result of the nos and over speed.

08-25-2011, 07:58 AM	#12
huhta99 Name: huhta99 Title: one nation under God Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: a barren wasteland Member`s Gallery Posts: 683

08-25-2011, 08:29 AM	#15
Acorn 616 Name: Acorn 616 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Jun 2009 Member`s Gallery Posts: 714	Have you been in contact with the person you bought it from, before posting failures on the Internet?

08-25-2011, 08:42 AM	#16
MCForstenRacing Name: MCForstenRacing Title: 1/4 miles Status: Not Here Join Date: Jun 2008 Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,430	I have ran 2 batmowheel chargers my s400 is still in running order, the s300 looks almost identical to yours. 300 feet before the finish line at the nhrda event at Virginia motorsports park blew it to pieces.

08-25-2011, 08:52 AM	#17
MCForstenRacing Name: MCForstenRacing Title: 1/4 miles Status: Not Here Join Date: Jun 2008 Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,430	I did forget to add it was the first pass on that charger yes I was spraying it. My horsepower is unknown haven't been on a dyno in a while that pass I coasted a 10.6. It was a 66mm charger

08-25-2011, 09:36 AM	#19
Big Blue24 Name: Big Blue24 Title: Comp Diesel Sponsor Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Cedar City, UT Member`s Gallery Posts: 6,310	At the most recent NADM event in Utah, I spoke with someone at the HTT tent for a good 30 minutes. He claimed that they have repaired 4 or 5 of the "batmowheeled" chargers. His opinion was that the leading edge provides all the support for the tips of the blades, and when you mill down the leading edge to create the batmo profile, you loose support and the compressor becomes fragile. He said the typical failure mode is compressor blades start to deteriorate, chunks break off, then the imbalance causes blade to compressor cover contact which in a matter of seconds causes complete failure. I personally have not seen a batmowheeled turbo so I cant give a personal opinion. I also acknowledge that HTT is in direct competition with everything else in the diesel turbo market so their opinion is likely biased to some extent. __________________ 95' 2wd Junker Drag Truck 1502 HP Fuel-Only 12mm P7100 Pump SXE 472 over GTX55 116mm OEM 12v Block

08-25-2011, 09:43 AM	#20
MCForstenRacing Name: MCForstenRacing Title: 1/4 miles Status: Not Here Join Date: Jun 2008 Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,430	I believe you are correct Acorn I am not here to bash anyone just sharing my experience. We ran that charger for a reason another vp truck making 4 digit horsepower was running the exact same size and has for several years and has not had any failures one pass and boom with that batmowheel. My wheel looked exactly that same as the OP. Again Im not mad or here to bash a product just showing what happened.