Who Has the Rattle / Clatter / Knock etc??? - Page 2 - Competition Diesel.Com

triton · 03-16-2009, 08:11 AM

here's my rattle. just the first part of this video

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/burnout_641335.htm

Big Swole · 03-16-2009, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EPA Violator

David, I will add myself to the list from what I have heard my noise is similiar to yours but less. It occurs at lo or no boost with a moderate amount of pedal pressure on the accelerator, baby the throttle and it doesn't occur and mash it and it occurs for a split second then is gone when boost comes in. It sounds like an old ***** gargling marbles. My mods list is
Stock bottom end
F1 cam and springs
Flux 3.3's
Twins 62 over 480
PPE dual pumps
Smarty programming and that's it except for some pressure with Power Puck

Jay Thacker

Well as far as mods go, You and I are VERY similar except for pressure box but pressure is pressure!!!

LIST:

Big Swole = David Elrod
Triton = Ty
onetun
soulezoo
EPA Violator = Jay
HIGH TECH RAM

cbtoyz · 03-16-2009, 12:24 PM

cbtoyz=Colin Beddow

Sounds like timing rattle till I get around 10-15lbs. of boost.

I have had the head off several times, starscanned, injectors tested, rail capped, and have found nothing. I am just going to run it till something breaks, then build it better!

Mods...
Smarty
Mp-8
FASS 150/150
PPE dual cp3
DDP 200's
Twins 62/71/.8 - s480
Studs
O'rings .009
Modified 12v gasket .020 thicker than mls.
Billet tranny with Goerend parts
Ext...

TheBigNasty · 03-16-2009, 06:17 PM

Something interesting I read, may hold relative to this problem.

http://ci.nii.ac.jp/naid/110002362133/

smokingoat04 · 03-16-2009, 06:17 PM

I have the noise some also. It gets worse the more throttle you give it, without boost. As soon as boost comes up it's gone. Sounds like a nasty timing rattle. It does it with Smarty on various timing settings, and in stock programming. Rail pressure isn't that high because I'm still runnig the stock cp3 until later this week. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm the only non 600 series on the list. My mods. are
Smarty TNT
TST
DDP180's
HTT64/71-13ss
stock bore pistons minus .050
stock MLS head gasket

LIST:

Big Swole = David Elrod
Triton = Ty
onetun
soulezoo
EPA Violator = Jay
HIGH TECH RAM
cbtoyz=Colin Beddow
Smokingoat04=Josh

soulezoo · 03-16-2009, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBigNasty

Something interesting I read, may hold relative to this problem.

http://ci.nii.ac.jp/naid/110002362133/

That is interesting. Basically I interpret that as advanced timing injection with lowered compression = more noise. So, the compression is already on the low side to combat nox and we who lower it even more get the noise.

FWIW, mine does this on stock programming. I think smarty advancing timing makes it more pronounced.

triton · 03-16-2009, 06:54 PM

This is something we kinda already knew but, it gives reason for the knock/rattle. I think with our larger injectors plus added timing ( or not ) we've helped to eliminate the pilot injection or made it so large it's not doing what it was designed to do. It's possible we've turned our trucks back to 24v with one injection event.

Pilot injection, what this achieves is the creation of a small explosion immediately before the big bang to give a gradual increase in combustion chamber temperature, rather than allowing a sudden one. It's those sudden temperature increases that cause the familiar diesel knock / rattle.

http://www.fabia-vrs.com/downloads/files/injection.pdf

triton · 03-16-2009, 07:18 PM

some more interesting reading from the Dmax guys with EFI live. McRat even chimed in

... haven't seen him around in a while

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/sho....php?p=3094207

HIGH TECH RAM · 03-16-2009, 08:35 PM

I Just went larger on the Injectors So know I'm really curios as ho its going to sound with the lower compression . I should know by the end of the week.
LIST:

Big Swole = David Elrod
Triton = Ty
onetun
soulezoo
EPA Violator = Jay
HIGH TECH RAM=Chris
cbtoyz=Colin Beddow
Smokingoat04=Josh

gitchesum · 03-16-2009, 09:06 PM

I thought I had a rod knocking a couple of weeks ago at the track. Everyone could hear it in the stands. Hard to catch it in this video though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTjtieUVdgs

I run the Smarty TNT on timing level 3, no rail pressure, Tq on 4, and run Level 7. It's more noticable in the morning, but gets better as it gets warmer. Still never goes away though.

I just have the Smarty, F1 Flux 2.2, and a bag of parts from II on the truck. It's an early 04 305/555

triton · 03-16-2009, 09:43 PM

I think you might have something else going on. I can't speak for every one that has the knock but, it gets worse as the truck warms up and at idle can't be noticed as much.

You may want to look into yours deeper before you melt a piston if you haven't already. Swole that started this thread was driving around with a melted slug and didn't know it except for hard starting. Ended up finding 2 bad injectors and a melted piston. Don't believe it was knocking like that though

gitchesum · 03-16-2009, 11:33 PM

It only did that when I bumped the timing up to level two and ran Level 9 on the Smarty, otherwise, I just get a little rattle at low boost.

Still trying to find the right tune.

jaredb900rr · 03-17-2009, 01:19 AM

Big Swole = David Elrod
Triton = Ty
onetun
soulezoo
EPA Violator = Jay
HIGH TECH RAM=Chris
cbtoyz=Colin Beddow
Smokingoat04=Josh
jaredb900rr = Jared

John_DeereGreen · 03-17-2009, 09:26 AM

I don't have a common rail, but out of curiosity, what model year engine is this happening to more?

03-04.5, 04.5-06, or 06.5-07.5?

I think I broke it down the right way...

12valve · 03-17-2009, 12:54 PM

Big Swole = David Elrod
Triton = Ty
onetun
soulezoo
EPA Violator = Jay
HIGH TECH RAM=Chris
cbtoyz=Colin Beddow
Smokingoat04=Josh
jaredb900rr = Jared
12valve

I get it too, with the 06 truck in my sig, stock pistons, .20 over HG

had a few bad injectors, 2 melted pistons... we will see if its gone, once the motor is back together again

Big Swole · 03-17-2009, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John_DeereGreen

I don't have a common rail, but out of curiosity, what model year engine is this happening to more?

03-04.5, 04.5-06, or 06.5-07.5?

I think I broke it down the right way...

I believe it's 04.5 and Up !!

Don't know many 03-04.5 that have it...

Big Swole · 03-17-2009, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12valve

Big Swole = David Elrod
Triton = Ty
onetun
soulezoo
EPA Violator = Jay
HIGH TECH RAM=Chris
cbtoyz=Colin Beddow
Smokingoat04=Josh
jaredb900rr = Jared
12valve

I get it too, with the 06 truck in my sig, stock pistons, .20 over HG

had a few bad injectors, 2 melted pistons... we will see if its gone, once the motor is back together again

I feel for ya man!!! These damn CR injectors!!!!

Has ANYBODY had better luck with the new S.S. injectors bodies from Bosch....Anybody know of an S.S. Failure yet???

Squatch · 03-17-2009, 05:56 PM

Big Swole = David Elrod
Triton = Ty
onetun
soulezoo
EPA Violator = Jay
HIGH TECH RAM=Chris
cbtoyz=Colin Beddow
Smokingoat04=Josh
jaredb900rr = Jared
12valve
Squatch

Rattle on my 05 motor in the Ford

03 Dodge, Scheid Injectors, Dual CP3's, Smarty TNT/R HTT66
No Rattle

BHaner · 03-17-2009, 07:16 PM

Mark me down.

I still have it with stock sticks, stock cp3, twin turbos, and a FASS.

Joesixpack · 03-17-2009, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Squatch

Big Swole = David Elrod
Triton = Ty
onetun
soulezoo
EPA Violator = Jay
HIGH TECH RAM=Chris
cbtoyz=Colin Beddow
Smokingoat04=Josh
jaredb900rr = Jared
12valve
Squatch

Rattle on my 05 motor in the Ford

03 Dodge, Scheid Injectors, Dual CP3's, Smarty TNT/R HTT66
No Rattle

This is interesting.....05 makes it and the 03 don't...don't suppose you have any video of your two trucks?

03-16-2009, 08:11 AM	#21
triton Name: triton Title: RUNNADM Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2007 Location: NC mountains Member`s Gallery Posts: 3,975	here's my rattle. just the first part of this video http://videos.streetfire.net/video/burnout_641335.htm __________________ big thanks to: Garmon Diesel Performance / NADM Airwerks / High Tech Turbo / AirDog / Glacier Diesel

03-16-2009, 12:24 PM	#23
cbtoyz Name: cbtoyz Title: I am at TWO with nature. Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Fortuna, Ca Member`s Gallery Posts: 475	cbtoyz=Colin Beddow Sounds like timing rattle till I get around 10-15lbs. of boost. I have had the head off several times, starscanned, injectors tested, rail capped, and have found nothing. I am just going to run it till something breaks, then build it better! Mods... Smarty Mp-8 FASS 150/150 PPE dual cp3 DDP 200's Twins 62/71/.8 - s480 Studs O'rings .009 Modified 12v gasket .020 thicker than mls. Billet tranny with Goerend parts Ext... __________________ Colin-'06 QC, SB, 4x4- 853hp/1467tq. 11.30 @ 122mph Thanks Brad and everybody at Ponci's Diesel Center! '96 12valve project. Last edited by cbtoyz : 03-16-2009 at 12:31 PM.

03-16-2009, 06:17 PM	#24
TheBigNasty Name: TheBigNasty Title: Stock.....what's that? Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2007 Location: Abbott, TX Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,244	Something interesting I read, may hold relative to this problem. http://ci.nii.ac.jp/naid/110002362133/ __________________ 2 12v's and a 963hp CR Built by H&H Performance Diesel Seeking the approval of others since 1985

03-16-2009, 06:17 PM	#25
smokingoat04 Name: smokingoat04 Title: Not real sure Status: Not Here Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Missouri Member`s Gallery Posts: 498	I have the noise some also. It gets worse the more throttle you give it, without boost. As soon as boost comes up it's gone. Sounds like a nasty timing rattle. It does it with Smarty on various timing settings, and in stock programming. Rail pressure isn't that high because I'm still runnig the stock cp3 until later this week. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm the only non 600 series on the list. My mods. are Smarty TNT TST DDP180's HTT64/71-13ss stock bore pistons minus .050 stock MLS head gasket LIST: Big Swole = David Elrod Triton = Ty onetun soulezoo EPA Violator = Jay HIGH TECH RAM cbtoyz=Colin Beddow Smokingoat04=Josh __________________ 04.4 QCSB, NV5600, Haisley clutch, Silver Bullet, DDP Nozzles, Wicked Pump, Airdog, Hamilton Springs, Arp Studs, SMARTY TNT/R, EZ, TST

03-16-2009, 08:35 PM	#29
HIGH TECH RAM Name: HIGH TECH RAM Title: Oil burner Status: Not Here Join Date: Jul 2007 Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,453	I Just went larger on the Injectors So know I'm really curios as ho its going to sound with the lower compression . I should know by the end of the week. LIST: Big Swole = David Elrod Triton = Ty onetun soulezoo EPA Violator = Jay HIGH TECH RAM=Chris cbtoyz=Colin Beddow Smokingoat04=Josh __________________ 06 2500 LBZ CCSB LT 98.5 3500 dually 24V

03-16-2009, 06:54 PM	#27
triton Name: triton Title: RUNNADM Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2007 Location: NC mountains Member`s Gallery Posts: 3,975	This is something we kinda already knew but, it gives reason for the knock/rattle. I think with our larger injectors plus added timing ( or not ) we've helped to eliminate the pilot injection or made it so large it's not doing what it was designed to do. It's possible we've turned our trucks back to 24v with one injection event. Pilot injection, what this achieves is the creation of a small explosion immediately before the big bang to give a gradual increase in combustion chamber temperature, rather than allowing a sudden one. It's those sudden temperature increases that cause the familiar diesel knock / rattle. http://www.fabia-vrs.com/downloads/files/injection.pdf

03-16-2009, 07:18 PM	#28
triton Name: triton Title: RUNNADM Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2007 Location: NC mountains Member`s Gallery Posts: 3,975	some more interesting reading from the Dmax guys with EFI live. McRat even chimed in ... haven't seen him around in a while http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/sho....php?p=3094207

03-16-2009, 09:06 PM	#30
gitchesum Name: gitchesum Title: Diesel Enthusiast Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2006 Member`s Gallery Posts: 121	I thought I had a rod knocking a couple of weeks ago at the track. Everyone could hear it in the stands. Hard to catch it in this video though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTjtieUVdgs I run the Smarty TNT on timing level 3, no rail pressure, Tq on 4, and run Level 7. It's more noticable in the morning, but gets better as it gets warmer. Still never goes away though. I just have the Smarty, F1 Flux 2.2, and a bag of parts from II on the truck. It's an early 04 305/555

03-16-2009, 09:43 PM	#31
triton Name: triton Title: RUNNADM Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2007 Location: NC mountains Member`s Gallery Posts: 3,975	I think you might have something else going on. I can't speak for every one that has the knock but, it gets worse as the truck warms up and at idle can't be noticed as much. You may want to look into yours deeper before you melt a piston if you haven't already. Swole that started this thread was driving around with a melted slug and didn't know it except for hard starting. Ended up finding 2 bad injectors and a melted piston. Don't believe it was knocking like that though

03-16-2009, 11:33 PM	#32
gitchesum Name: gitchesum Title: Diesel Enthusiast Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2006 Member`s Gallery Posts: 121	It only did that when I bumped the timing up to level two and ran Level 9 on the Smarty, otherwise, I just get a little rattle at low boost. Still trying to find the right tune.

03-17-2009, 01:19 AM	#33
jaredb900rr Name: jaredb900rr Title: Diesel Enthusiast Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Draper, UT Member`s Gallery Posts: 245	Big Swole = David Elrod Triton = Ty onetun soulezoo EPA Violator = Jay HIGH TECH RAM=Chris cbtoyz=Colin Beddow Smokingoat04=Josh jaredb900rr = Jared __________________ 2005 Dodge Ram 4WD QC LB - a "few" mods (built by Wide Open Performance) 2005 Dodge Ram 2WD RC LB - soon to be race truck!!

03-17-2009, 09:26 AM	#34
John_DeereGreen Name: John_DeereGreen Title: Ohio Holstien Association Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Athens, OH Member`s Gallery Posts: 82	I don't have a common rail, but out of curiosity, what model year engine is this happening to more? 03-04.5, 04.5-06, or 06.5-07.5? I think I broke it down the right way... __________________ Matt 97 F250 4X4 7.3L PowerStroke Pretty much stock.

03-17-2009, 05:56 PM	#38
Squatch Name: Squatch Title: cummins in a what? Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2006 Member`s Gallery Posts: 101	Big Swole = David Elrod Triton = Ty onetun soulezoo EPA Violator = Jay HIGH TECH RAM=Chris cbtoyz=Colin Beddow Smokingoat04=Josh jaredb900rr = Jared 12valve Squatch Rattle on my 05 motor in the Ford 03 Dodge, Scheid Injectors, Dual CP3's, Smarty TNT/R HTT66 No Rattle __________________ 06 F-350 5.9 CR ZF6spd, DDP 90hp injectors, Twins, Hamilton Cam, Springs, Push Rods, Headstuds, South Bend Clutch, TNT/R www.sasquatch-dp.com

03-17-2009, 07:16 PM	#39
BHaner Name: BHaner Title: Diesel Enthusiast Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2006 Member`s Gallery Posts: 168	Mark me down. I still have it with stock sticks, stock cp3, twin turbos, and a FASS. __________________ YouTube.com Smoke Police! 2007 Flame Red Dodge 2500 SLT 4x4 809HP/1562TQ 12.5 @ 108 MPH Reloaded! http://bhaner.com

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