NADM East Coast Nationals, Numidia PA

Hammer said:
Looks like more work on a jet with your SSR is needed.
Do some searching here for PaulB and dvst8r's SSR settings and work off them.I am quite certain you will find a happy spot which will net more power.Keep in mind the air was terrible today(1.07 day) and on a good air day you should have went into the 680's for power.I still think there is a ton left but you may need a bit more candle to lite the fire better.I can also tell you in that air if your still on 37" tires they also hurt your overall numbers.

My fuel numbers were off also but on spray the truck woke up and ran really well which is indicative of how bad the air really was.I should have stuck a bigger jet in the giggle gas but maybe tomorrow we will make that swap.

Scott's jet is stingy but power can be made on it, we seen that with the last run.......Andy
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Goin udc would cure my hard to tune ssr. Also how much of a power loss would the 37's be? So the black truck that laid down 1157 is yours? Congrats on the numbers and nice truck.

mikmaze said:
11'9 is nothing to be disappointed with George, nice run for horrid air.
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That's what I was thinking.
 
Goin udc would cure my hard to tune ssr.
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UDC is a GREAT tool to tune with,HOWEVER,it is not easier to tune than your SSR.
The ONLY thing you will get as for tuning ease with UDC is a way to try others tunes that can be bought from many vendors on this forum.To tune UDC is not as easy as SSR by a long shot.I have both for our trucks and while I like my UDC,I tend to use my SSR more often because of its easy tuning capabilities and how quick you can make a change at a event to tune for weather conditions.

Also how much of a power loss would the 37's be?
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You have to keep in mind that added rotating mass costs power.I am not sure what the true loss would be but with each diameter increase you move the powerband further to the right(meaning your making power later in the run).Usually,when you do this it will show in less HP and elevate your torque numbers somewhat.Tall mud tire style tires sure look cool when your sitting at a show or cruising around,but,you will loose some on the jet due to them.

So the black truck that laid down 1157 is yours? Congrats on the numbers and nice truck.
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That is mine.
We have built a harness to run EFI Live on the truck and went there because I knew the weather would be nasty(Numidia is well known in summer for very bad air)and we wanted to try out a couple of different EFI tunes we wrote for our nitrous runs.The first two were with one of our older tunes and the last two were on a fresh tune.I had my camera with me and never even took a photo of the truck after I got it cleaned up,LOL.Thanks for the compliments on the truck,it is greatly appreciated.

George..
I seen your runs and have to say given the poor track preparation you did about as well as could be expected.Its tough to try and sort out a suspension change on a track that feels like you trying to hook on a pile of marbles.There is no reason to hang your head at all,that is one righteous running ride you have.........Andy
 
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The reason you don't use a roller a lot on a track that is only running classes with street tires is it will make the track extremely hard since the tires don't tear the track up like a cut tire does. I've seen places were a lot of street tire classes run and by the end of the night from over use of the roller the tires are leaving black marks on the track like asphalt
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There were trucks with mud terrain tires throwing chunks the size of my head . I think the roller would have helped . Or taking about 8" off the track before they started by someone who could operate a dozer .
 
mikmaze said:
11'9 is nothing to be disappointed with George, nice run for horrid air.
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Yeh i know, but i did have to back completely out of it when i had the wheel hop.. Cut a 1.9 60ft lol.... Normal is 1.65 to 1.72..... Cal tracks on the way...... To be honest about the event it was the smallest turn out in the 4-5 years ive been there... Either way i had a good time, seeing the same family of friends every 3-4 months is what its all about...
 
Hammer said:
UDC is a GREAT tool to tune with,HOWEVER,it is not easier to tune than your SSR.
The ONLY thing you will get as for tuning ease with UDC is a way to try others tunes that can be bought from many vendors on this forum.To tune UDC is not as easy as SSR by a long shot.I have both for our trucks and while I like my UDC,I tend to use my SSR more often because of its easy tuning capabilities and how quick you can make a change at a event to tune for weather conditions.



You have to keep in mind that added rotating mass costs power.I am not sure what the true loss would be but with each diameter increase you move the powerband further to the right(meaning your making power later in the run).Usually,when you do this it will show in less HP and elevate your torque numbers somewhat.Tall mud tire style tires sure look cool when your sitting at a show or cruising around,but,you will loose some on the jet due to them.



That is mine.
We have built a harness to run EFI Live on the truck and went there because I knew the weather would be nasty(Numidia is well known in summer for very bad air)and we wanted to try out a couple of different EFI tunes we wrote for our nitrous runs.The first two were with one of our older tunes and the last two were on a fresh tune.I had my camera with me and never even took a photo of the truck after I got it cleaned up,LOL.Thanks for the compliments on the truck,it is greatly appreciated.

George..
I seen your runs and have to say given the poor track preparation you did about as well as could be expected.Its tough to try and sort out a suspension change on a track that feels like you trying to hook on a pile of marbles.There is no reason to hang your head at all,that is one righteous running ride you have.........Andy
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Thanks andy, i appreciate that...... I dont think ive ever seen your truck as clean as it was yesterday... And one day im gonna get you to run that truck... Just once....
 
The thing I don't like of the ssr is I can't see what those numbers are changing. It's hard to keep the smoke down with the ssr. I dd on the same tune I dynoed with. Since then I threw more timing and duration at it. I backed Llr and hlr down to 1. My rail is spiking at 27k under wot. I think my prv is leaking during this causing my wts light. I may end up buying a tune from gecovey.
 
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Thanks andy, i appreciate that...... I dont think ive ever seen your truck as clean as it was yesterday... And one day im gonna get you to run that truck... Just once....
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Yep,she was smooth and really looked good yesterday,probably the best it has in a few years.Rob finally remembered to get me some of that detail spray I liked so much he gave me at last years truck show and that stuff is the deal.The second coat on the truck today at Cecil County really had it glistening in the bright sunshine.

I actually had plans to run the truck at Numidia but after checking on the needed safety equipment I found out I needed more than I had.Soon you may just get your wish.If I can just figure out how to keep it nice and clean doing that,LOL.

The thing I don't like of the ssr is I can't see what those numbers are changing. It's hard to keep the smoke down with the ssr. I dd on the same tune I dynoed with. Since then I threw more timing and duration at it. I backed Llr and hlr down to 1. My rail is spiking at 27k under wot. I think my prv is leaking during this causing my wts light. I may end up buying a tune from gecovey.
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I disagree with the not being able to keep the smoke down with SSR.Its all in the tuning and a little time strapped down to a jet somewhere quiet and you can find a happy medium,its there all it takes is work.I am going to tell you again,research Paulb's and DVSt8r's last SSR setting in the SSR thread,I am certain they will get you close and you may be suprised as well.The last SSR runs on my truck were made with Paul's setting from one of his track runs and the truck went well into the 900's with it and was very driveable.My UDC tune for my truck just flat out works,however,I gave up as I wanted more control with the EFI and moved away from it.I will also say this,buying a tune is a option you have however when you do that you also do not see what changes are being made as no one sells a unlocked tune and you will not know what has been done or changed.My one fear of buying a tune from another tuner is the possibility they do not give you the whole enchilada and short you on power.Some will tell you it doesn't happen and all tunes get done to the capabilities of the customers truck and I will call BS on that.

Keep tuning,you will get where you want.It will not happen overnight and there will be bumps along the way but once you reach your goal there is no better feeling for the minute.That is until you realize that you want MORE,then welcome to the "Cubic Money" zone.Thats the area where you have spent xxxx amount of cash to get to one plateau and it seemed relatively easy,but,that last little bit of power you want costs you almost 4x's what you have already spent...."Cubic Money".........Andy

P.S.-I had my camera,but,spent most of the day detailing and chatting with the many who stopped to chat about the truck.I didn't even get a single picture of my truck,let alone anyone elses,LOL.I do have videos of my truck on the jet and will load them and put a link up if you want.
 
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1537 with a 70 shot at the end. Trans started to slip. He showed me the chart you can see a dip right at the end then he hits the 70 shot and it shoots back up.
 
1537 with a 70 shot at the end. Trans started to slip. He showed me the chart you can see a dip right at the end then he hits the 70 shot and it shoots back up.
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Not sure if I believe the trans slipping as he laid down 1525 today at the North/South Shootout.Those are two very good numbers laid down in the heat and humidity.

Was it a load cell Dyno?? Or no load??
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What does it matter?...
But if you need to know MassDiesel's mobile jet is the former TNT Diesel Performance's Dyno-Jet 248H.It is a inertia dyno that has very good repeatability.

Well what were the big HP numbers from the event ?
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Mark...
Dimitri's 1537HP and my 1158HP were the two big numbers from the day.
There was a righteous running D-Max that laid down 802HP on fuel only also.
I do not remember the rest of them as I was very busy that day.
Where were you at this weekend,still down with driveline issues......Andy
 
Hammer said:
Mark...
Dimitri's 1537HP and my 1158HP were the two big numbers from the day.
There was a righteous running D-Max that laid down 802HP on fuel only also.
I do not remember the rest of them as I was very busy that day.
Where were you at this weekend,still down with driveline issues......Andy
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Thanks Andy .. Those are good numbers. Congrats ... Was there any correction factor ?

As for us , just too many hobbies this time of year and we had prior commitments.
 
mulisha said:
It was ok today.. Weather turned out great.. They fell way behind, pulls didnt start till close to 4.... Also saw dimitri run a 9.83 and letting off way before traps... One of the big boys also popped something in the motor, tons of white smoke at the 8th, and no it wasnt a boot.... Its was a deep red pick up with slicks, and alot of stickers...i personally did bad.. I took out my o/l spring and one other spring... And i couldnt get the cal tracks on... Bad wheel hop, let completly off and back in and turned a 11.9..... Called it a day before i broke a shaft...
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I was the red truck with the stickers . I popped the turbo I don't think I hurt the motor will probably get a good look at it this week. I knew when I was racing Dimitri because he was so much lighter then I was and making so much power I knew I would have to cut a great light and use a lot of nitrous to keep up or stay ahead of him. I guess I gave it a little too much nitrous. Lol The good thing is I got lucky and Dimitri red lit and I got the win.
Overall I thought it was a great event with a big turn out. It seems like it gets bigger every year. I had a great time meeting and talking with everyone. This is always a fun one for me to go to.
 
Jeremy it was far far from being rolled that tight . picture a freshly plowed field and no im not exaggerating at all :badidea:



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The reason you don't use a roller a lot on a track that is only running classes with street tires is it will make the track extremely hard since the tires don't tear the track up like a cut tire does. I've seen places were a lot of street tire classes run and by the end of the night from over use of the roller the tires are leaving black marks on the track like asphalt
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This is actually when the track started getting better before the rain . Lol
 
I have to work on my ssr tunes.

VaOutlaw said:
Thanks Andy .. Those are good numbers. Congrats ... Was there any correction factor ?

As for us , just too many hobbies this time of year and we had prior commitments.
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It was a std correction factor. 1.07
 
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