brand new.
got them for my dodge (at the time) from discount tire, put them in the shop for a while and when i finally decided to use them, i sold them to a buddy for 900 for his dodge. had one tire mounted on one front and that's how i found out they wouldn't fit a dodge and tried to return. when took back to discount tire they said they cannot exchange them for the correct wheel since i didn't have the boxes anymore!!
so needless to say, i got them to measure them and a couple guys on here (i had a thread going a while back) and they are 8 on 170mm for 99-04 ford only. damn the bad luck!!