Smokin ACE
1st gen turbo tester
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Put my new motor in my 06 this last fall and went ahead with a Southbend DD3600-G full ceramic clutch with hydraulic upgrade. Drained the ATF out of the trans that it had in it the last 190k (bought truck with bad motor) and filled/overfilled it with Mobil Delvac 50wt.
Put about 8000 miles on truck through the winter then finally got around to getting Firepunk EFI live tunes on it, well the g56 didn't even last 3 weeks. I was getting on it it the other night and went to shift to 4th and BOOOM clunk clunk clunk. Truck will go in all gears but 4th and it makes a good clunking in any gear or idling with the clutch disengaged. Haven't had time to rip it out or tear it apart yet and I'm still trying to figure out what to do. From what I've read/heard it probably broke the 4th gear and/or countershaft which is a costly fix from what I've found. Over $2000 for just a countershaft from the dealer plus whatever else it may need. The case doesn't appear to be cracked from the outside but didn't look super close yet.
My first plan was to find another used G56 and swap it in for now and rebuild this one and possibly have it cryo'd, girdle, etc and have it for a spare ready to go back in. But every used trans I can find at salvage yards has 150k+,and they want at least $2500 plus $1000 core. Called a few different trans places local and they don't even mess with them anymore saying they had too many comebacks and only reman them. So called across the midwest and found ranges on remans from $2600-6000 plus core. Ebay has some for $2200ish plus $1000 core but I'm a little nervous about ebay things nowadays.
I was planning on eating the core charge and rebuilding this one as I'm not afraid to tear into one. Has anyone on hear tore into one or messed with them with success? Only info I could find online about rebuilding them was this and looks like some special tools are involved:
http://docslide.us/documents/dodge-g56-service-manual.html
After talking to Lazarsmith and few other trans shops, supposedly they are a pretty picky trans to get them right and parts alone can be $2000 and up like the countershaft so then I got wondering if its even worth messing with. Why is there no aftermarket parts available for these yet? People just consider them scrap?
So I read up on NV5600 swap, some say its the only way to go, others still like the g56. I know of one out of an 02 and one out of an 04 that I thought about trying to get but it'd probably be $2-2500 then still have to modify crossmember, drivelines, and figure up a different clutch as it would cost $800-1000 for southbend to change mine for a 5600. I've read the NV5600s will break too though and heard parts for them are getting harder to find although the cases are stronger.
Even thought about a build auto but would have to change even more things to make that work, either manual valve body, or can I have my PCM reflashed for an Auto? or do I have to get an Auto PCM? Would like to stay manual but looking at the cost of doing so, a built auto is close to the same in the end.
I use the truck for daily driving, some towing and was planning on pulling it in work stock a few times this summer, so i knew something was going to happen at some point but didn't figure this early. It will probably stay below the 750hp range eventually. I understand you got pay to play but I know people have been in my shoes and wondered where to go as about any way I go about it, its at least a $3000 bill. I just want the best bang for my buck.
Do I stay with the G56? Spend $3500 on a reman and have spare to build with another $3-5k + $1000 girdle? I've already got $2k into just the clutch setup. What about the Gorilla G56's are they worth the $6500 for all the goodies and will they still hold up?
Or do I sell my clutch for say roughly $1500, sell the trans as a core for roughly $1000 and put that money towards a NV5600 and cross my fingers. What clutch would I want with the NV5600? Similar dual disc or are the triple discs the cats meow?
And then again the built auto idea is sounding cheaper and cheaper
op:
Sorry for the long post, but any advice or input is appreciated.
Put about 8000 miles on truck through the winter then finally got around to getting Firepunk EFI live tunes on it, well the g56 didn't even last 3 weeks. I was getting on it it the other night and went to shift to 4th and BOOOM clunk clunk clunk. Truck will go in all gears but 4th and it makes a good clunking in any gear or idling with the clutch disengaged. Haven't had time to rip it out or tear it apart yet and I'm still trying to figure out what to do. From what I've read/heard it probably broke the 4th gear and/or countershaft which is a costly fix from what I've found. Over $2000 for just a countershaft from the dealer plus whatever else it may need. The case doesn't appear to be cracked from the outside but didn't look super close yet.
My first plan was to find another used G56 and swap it in for now and rebuild this one and possibly have it cryo'd, girdle, etc and have it for a spare ready to go back in. But every used trans I can find at salvage yards has 150k+,and they want at least $2500 plus $1000 core. Called a few different trans places local and they don't even mess with them anymore saying they had too many comebacks and only reman them. So called across the midwest and found ranges on remans from $2600-6000 plus core. Ebay has some for $2200ish plus $1000 core but I'm a little nervous about ebay things nowadays.
I was planning on eating the core charge and rebuilding this one as I'm not afraid to tear into one. Has anyone on hear tore into one or messed with them with success? Only info I could find online about rebuilding them was this and looks like some special tools are involved:
http://docslide.us/documents/dodge-g56-service-manual.html
After talking to Lazarsmith and few other trans shops, supposedly they are a pretty picky trans to get them right and parts alone can be $2000 and up like the countershaft so then I got wondering if its even worth messing with. Why is there no aftermarket parts available for these yet? People just consider them scrap?
So I read up on NV5600 swap, some say its the only way to go, others still like the g56. I know of one out of an 02 and one out of an 04 that I thought about trying to get but it'd probably be $2-2500 then still have to modify crossmember, drivelines, and figure up a different clutch as it would cost $800-1000 for southbend to change mine for a 5600. I've read the NV5600s will break too though and heard parts for them are getting harder to find although the cases are stronger.
Even thought about a build auto but would have to change even more things to make that work, either manual valve body, or can I have my PCM reflashed for an Auto? or do I have to get an Auto PCM? Would like to stay manual but looking at the cost of doing so, a built auto is close to the same in the end.
I use the truck for daily driving, some towing and was planning on pulling it in work stock a few times this summer, so i knew something was going to happen at some point but didn't figure this early. It will probably stay below the 750hp range eventually. I understand you got pay to play but I know people have been in my shoes and wondered where to go as about any way I go about it, its at least a $3000 bill. I just want the best bang for my buck.
Do I stay with the G56? Spend $3500 on a reman and have spare to build with another $3-5k + $1000 girdle? I've already got $2k into just the clutch setup. What about the Gorilla G56's are they worth the $6500 for all the goodies and will they still hold up?
Or do I sell my clutch for say roughly $1500, sell the trans as a core for roughly $1000 and put that money towards a NV5600 and cross my fingers. What clutch would I want with the NV5600? Similar dual disc or are the triple discs the cats meow?
And then again the built auto idea is sounding cheaper and cheaper
op:Sorry for the long post, but any advice or input is appreciated.
