Metric fittings help.

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ok, so i have been shopping around for aeromotives a-1000, i also searched and found a system that someone built.

now here's the problem. i cant figure out what they mean by -4,-6,-8,-10,and -12 AN fittings??

so far all ive been able to figure out is that the pump needs -10 fittings and the regulator needs -6 fittings? there are also different thread sizes and such and it is very confusing.

some help figuring out wich fittings i need to run this system would be greatly apreciated!!
 
AN is the type of thread, like pipe, metric, etc,etc. The numbers are the sizes. You should be able to get -10 hose to the regulator and a -6 to -10 adapter for your reg. You should find AN to NPT adapters as well.
 
the AN # is easily converted to inch size if you use it as 16th's. 4an 4/16=1/4",6an 6/16=3/8", 10an 10/16=5/8" etc. The Aeromotive pump uses ORB an fittings. Jegs and places like that sell them as pump fittings such as 10an ORB x 10 an flare. AN flares are a 37* flare that is not interchangeable with SAE 45* flares that are used in plumbing systems. If you need a list of fittings to install a Aero pump/reg. system you can send me a PM.
 
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From Aeromotive's website:

http://www.aeromotiveinc.com/tb.php?id=68 said:
#901 AN vs. NPT: Understanding port threads, adapter fittings and line sizes.

AN vs. NPT: Understanding port threads, adapter fittings and line sizes.

The designation AN stands for Army/Navy and calls out mil/spec (military specifications) for dimensional standards of hydraulic lines, hose-end connectors and port adapter fittings. AN specifications are a popular standard met by all companies that manufacture AN style performance fuel hose and accessories. For many there has been much confusion about the subject of AN lines, NPT and ORB ports, and how all of this works together. Here are the answers for those wanting to know.

The flare angle used to seal AN connections is required to be SAE, 37 degree, as apposed to the 45 degree flare commonly found on household plumbing adapters. This angle can be found on the male point of the port adapter fitting and on the female inside the hose-end nut. AN port threads are not NPT or “pipe thread” but instead utilize straight threads (like any normal fastener) and SAE O-Ring Boss (ORB) technology for sealing. AN lines, ORB ports and the appropriate port adapter fittings are measured in inch/fractional sizes.

A dash (–) size in AN “speak” refers to the I.D. of a standard, thin wall, hard line as the basis to construct a comparable flexible hose that may be used in it’s place. A 1/2”, thin wall, hard line measures .500” on the outside diameter (O.D.), has an inside diameter (I.D.) of 0.440”, and a wall thickness of 0.030”. An appropriate, flexible replacement line would be –8 AN, with a minimum 0.440” I.D. Depending on line construction, rubber with stainless steel or nylon braid, or Teflon with stainless steel braid, the line’s wall thickness and O.D. may vary.

AN line sizes will have a dash (-) preceding the line size. The number after the dash refers to the number of 1/16 of an inch O.D., thin wall, hard line to which the flexible line will compare. For example, calling for a –8 AN line would mean the engineer or system designer requires a flexible line, made of certain materials suitable for the application, that would have the minimum I.D. of an 8/16” (1/2”) O.D. hard line. The actual line construction is dictated by the application with regard to line flexibility, vacuum and pressure capability, abrasion resistance and chemical compatibility, etc. Regardless, the engineer knows a -8 line of any construction will have a minimum I.D. equal to 1/2” hard line (.0440”), and be able to support similar flow rates.

Here are some of the common army/navy (AN) line and thread specifications: -04 AN line = 4/16” = 1/4” hard line. –04 AN Port and Fitting thread is: 7/16” -20 TPI. -06 AN line = 6/16” = 3/8” hard line. –06 AN Port and Fitting thread is: 9/16” -18 TPI. -08 AN line = 8/16” = 1/2” hard line. –08 AN Port and Fitting thread is: 3/4” -16 TPI. -10 AN line = 10/16” = 5/8” hard line. –10 AN Port and Fitting thread is: 7/8” -14 TPI. -12 AN line = 12/16” = 3/4” hard line. –12 AN Port and Fitting thread is: 1-1/16”-12 TPI.

Modern, high performance fuel systems are predominately fitted with safer, better sealing, higher flowing, AN-ORB ports. These ports require a straight thread adapter fitting, with a sealing O-Ring installed over the threads, up to the hex, that disappears into the port when properly installed. No additional thread sealer is required or recommended.

National Pipe Thread (NPT) ports, AN Ports and port adapter fittings:
Over the years, in low-pressure hydraulics, NPT has been a popular thread for ports and adapter fittings. When NPT ports are used in a fuel system with AN line, an adapter fitting to convert from NPT to AN is required. NPT was designed for use with thick walled pipe, typically black pipe, used in fixed structures like buildings, to handle distribution of water and natural gas. Black pipe isn’t particularly bendable, flexible or lightweight and hardly desirable for plumbing a high performance fuel system. As a result fittings that adapt NPT ports to AN line are common to allow flexible AN lines to be utilized in performance automotive fuel systems.

Unlike AN thread, which is straight, NPT ports and fittings are both tapered. NPT male to female adapters start loose, threading easily but get tight and harder to turn well before the hex touches the port. When threaded together, the NPT design creates a wedging effect, binding the thread in order to seal. The use of a thread sealant is common and required with NPT, as it does not consistently create a positive seal on it’s own, like an O-Ring configuration. It’s common to see a number of threads showing on the adapter fitting when NPT is sufficiently tight, making NPT assemblies bulkier and less clean appearing than a similar AN assembly.

NPT ports are commonly adapted to AN lines, but the NPT size designation is confusing, identifying the pipe I.D. rather than the O.D. Black pipe has a much thicker wall than hard line, so the pipe/port O.D. is much larger than the NPT size would seem to indicate. For example, a 3/8” NPT port will have an outside diameter of 5/8”, allowing for a wall thickness of 1/8” (0.125”). As a result, NPT port sizes allow use of a one step larger AN line than their indicated size would seem to support. As long as the wall of the adapter fitting is not overly thick, the following NPT Port to AN adapters will provide a common I.D. through-hole:

Maximum AN line for NPT port size: 1/4” NPT is compatible with up to -6 AN (3/8” hard line) 3/8” NPT is compatible with up to –8 AN (1/2” hard line) 1/2” NPT is compatible with up to –10 AN (5/8” hard line) 3/4” NPT is compatible with up to -16 AN (1” hard line)

Adapter fittings are available for connecting larger than recommended AN lines to the above NPT ports. Beware, the inside diameter of the adapter fitting will necessarily be smaller on the NPT side, creating a flow restriction that many racers and hotrod enthusiasts overlook. This is a poor practice and should be avoided, but when no alternative is available, consider sourcing a steel NPT to AN adapter from a good hydraulic supplier. Steel adapters will have a thinner wall than aluminum, due to the increase in material strength, leaving a larger I.D. to support higher flow on the too small, NPT side of the adapter.
 
wow that was probly the most useful information yet.

i really liked the pictures of the sizes and diagrams.
 
What reg are you going to run?

I did well until I found out that you can't get a true -8 to fit the stock fuel inlet port. A couple of places make reducer fittings that adapt metric thread to -AN but the ineer diameter drops to -6
 
the 13109, thats the part number for it anyways. im mostly looking around on ebay for stuff.

so will a -6 fit on the pump with no adapters? or do i need an adapter to run this setup?

what im thinking for now is to run a -10 to the pump then -6 to the injector pump. and -6 lines for the regulator and return
 
the AN # is easily converted to inch size if you use it as 16th's. 4an 4/16=1/4",6an 6/16=3/8", 10an 10/16=5/8" etc. The Aeromotive pump uses ORB an fittings. Jegs and places like that sell them as pump fittings such as 10an ORB x 10 an flare. AN flares are a 37* flare that is not interchangeable with SAE 45* flares that are used in plumbing systems. If you need a list of fittings to install a Aero pump/reg. system you can send me a PM.

still waiting on a pm, if i dont get one in a week or two i will figure it out myself
 
http://www.anplumbing.com/shop/

http://www.holley.com/data/TechService/Technical/Thread%20Sizes.pdf

If I remember correctly.... I went -10 from tank to pump, pump to filters, -8 from filters to inj. pump. then -6 from inj. pump to Aeromotive pressure regulator, from reg. to the stock return line using a hard line tubing adapter Earls p/n 165006.

Lastly, check ebay on AN hose/fittings lots. I got a big box of fittings and hoses for next to nothing. It done most all of my plumbing except the specialty fittings.
 
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anyone that has pictures of their setup i want to see the different methods of setting this up.
 
Here is a picture of the pressure regulator. I cant seem to find of the other pics tho.

IMG_0077.jpg
 
jamie, are you running your return out the hex plug?

i researched dual feeding and there are a few that say it helps and a few that say it just goes out the OF port. i also read that the hex plug was better to return from since it is higher up than the feed port and the OF port.

im just considering my options when i do my fuel system.

do it once, do it right!
 
The front port isn't higher than the OFV port. Its been debated to no resolve what the best way to plump the pump is. Some believe in returning out the higher OFV port like bosch and cummins designed it, while some believe feeding the side ports and returning out the front is best.

Your plan of 10/6/6 is a good way to do it. You could open up the return to tank to -8an if you wanted but its not a big concern. Bigger never hurts in this situation.


I feed and return through the stock ports and am going to add an auxiliary feed through the front port also regulated.
 
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