Need mechanical pump for belt drive setup.

RonA

RonA

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I'm looking for something to use for a lift pump. I have a cross member that won't allow for a Mitusa or the clones. The Aeromotive mechanical is not recommended for diesel. Any others? I would be happy to buy a whole kit and just use the pump if that's the only way it comes.

RonA
 
I know you said belt drive but what about buying a billet timing case cover and running a gear driven pump? There's a few possibilities there...scheid, cds, haisley...
 
The dedicated sled pullers run a Waterman, DSR or comparable pump. The one I have laying on my workbench is a 5.2 GPM pump. I planned on using it, but FASS stepped up and we figured out a system of FASSs that works with my fuel needs.
 
joefarmer said:
The dedicated sled pullers run a Waterman, DSR or comparable pump. The one I have laying on my workbench is a 5.2 GPM pump. I planned on using it, but FASS stepped up and we figured out a system of FASSs that works with my fuel needs.
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I will call Waterman tomorrow, they aren't too far away. I'm running a FASS with my factory (12valve) lift pump now, but I only use the FASS when I need the extra pressure. I'd like a mechanical pump that would maintain a steady 45-50psi at full throttle, and be reliable. I am on FASS #3 right now, and would like to get a more permanent fix for the lift pump.
 
Do you think the A1000 would be any more reliable than the FASS setup? I sure hope so, Ive ditched the factory lift pump and elect. pusher pump combo for the big Areo A1000 on this new build and hope to have good luck with it, thier not cheap either....
 
For some reason the A1000 for me will not keep up I have to run the plate nearly close to keep pressure around 20 under a load usen a 3/4 supply line regulated return set at 60
 
Rods said:
For some reason the A1000 for me will not keep up I have to run the plate nearly close to keep pressure around 20 under a load usen a 3/4 supply line regulated return set at 60
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Huh, thats interesting... with what this pumps rated to do I would think it should keep up with the Cummins fueling needs with no problems. I will experiment with my modified OFV and regulators to see how it does for me. Ron have you ever ran the A1000? Others seen these results with this pump also?
 
I too was at the point of going to a belt driven pump after burning up 4 brushed fuel pumps back to back. I actually own a complete Aeromotive belt pump with universal mounting hardware and a couple pulleys I was going to use.

However, luckily, before I got too far in, I found the Fuelab Prodigy pump. It is a BRUSHLESS electric pump. The pumps themselves are never the problem, it's the brushes in the motors that go IMO, and experience.

Fuelab makes brushless electric pumps that will support more fuel flow than anything any of us could ever consume.


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This is the one I've been running for the past few years:

http://www.fuelab.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=3&category_id=1&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=3
 
Charles said:
I too was at the point of going to a belt driven pump after burning up 4 brushed fuel pumps back to back. I actually own a complete Aeromotive belt pump with universal mounting hardware and a couple pulleys I was going to use.

However, luckily, before I got too far in, I found the Fuelab Prodigy pump. It is a BRUSHLESS electric pump. The pumps themselves are never the problem, it's the brushes in the motors that go IMO, and experience.

Fuelab makes brushless electric pumps that will support more fuel flow than anything any of us could ever consume.


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This is the one I've been running for the past few years:

http://www.fuelab.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=3&category_id=1&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=3
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Sure looks like a good pump choice to me also. I need to research my Areo pump now and see if it's a brushless design also, do you happen to know?
 
Charles said:
I too was at the point of going to a belt driven pump after burning up 4 brushed fuel pumps back to back. I actually own a complete Aeromotive belt pump with universal mounting hardware and a couple pulleys I was going to use.

However, luckily, before I got too far in, I found the Fuelab Prodigy pump. It is a BRUSHLESS electric pump. The pumps themselves are never the problem, it's the brushes in the motors that go IMO, and experience.

Fuelab makes brushless electric pumps that will support more fuel flow than anything any of us could ever consume.


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This is the one I've been running for the past few years:

http://www.fuelab.com/index.php?pag...&category_id=1&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=3
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What kind of price?
 
stock600 said:
Sure looks like a good pump choice to me also. I need to research my Areo pump now and see if it's a brushless design also, do you happen to know?
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Aero.... like A-1000? If so, nope. I've got two dead ones laying in the barn...

And I don't know price. I bought it when they first came out. Mine's actually a prototype that I tested a few things on for them. But I'm pretty sure they all come similar to how this one is setup now.

The cool thing is that you can decide the speed it runs. They have a built in speed control that takes in an analog 0-5v reference. So it doesn't have to run full speed all the time, which is great for a daily driver. I have been running mine at a constant half speed, which seems fine. IIRC, it is supplying ~60gph at ~60psi as I have it configured. It hasn't faltered yet at just over 600rwhp. Some of you guys running a bunch more power could just run full speed, or select a larger pump. Call Fuelab and they can help you pick the right one. The guys I dealt with were very knowledgeable and helpful. Course at the time I was talking to the man who designed the thing so that helped.
 
Well crap, Im going to give it a try and see how it does and yes its the A-1000. I have all the data logging stuff now so I will be able to monitor fuel pressure under load down track now much better than before. We'll see.
Thanks for the info on this other style of pump in case its needed down the road.
Ryan
 
stock600 said:
Well crap, Im going to give it a try and see how it does and yes its the A-1000. I have all the data logging stuff now so I will be able to monitor fuel pressure under load down track now much better than before. We'll see.
Thanks for the info on this other style of pump in case its needed down the road.
Ryan
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The A-1000 is a fine pump. And as long as you don't want a bunch of pressure all the time, and you don't try to daily drive it running all that pressure, it will last just fine. Hell, some people daily drive them and seem to have good luck. But they are the exception.
 
The setup I used prior to this in the previous race truck was a fresh 12v mechanical pump feed by a 140gph Holley Black then dual feed to the P7100. Id setup the ofv to give me ~60-65# at idle and it seemed to maintain ~35-40# under load down track. Truck ran 6 teens in the 1/8th with this system, I just wanted a cleaner simpler all elect. system on this new build.
 
I contacted Waterman today. Sounds like the best choice for me. Thank you all for the information.
 
How are you going to dive it? Did you happen to ask how it will be for daily driving?
 
They said it would be fine for daily drive. I can adjust the output with different gears, completely rebuildable, diesel friendly. I want to put it where my air conditioning comp use to be and drive it with the serpentine belt. Belt will drive an idler( for bearing size), pump slide into the back of pulley and bolt in place. Should be simple to machine up.
 
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