ok cool deal! thanks for the info! i wanted to stick it in the collector part of the manifold, but i dont have a 90* drill to get in there, and dont want to pull the manifold off either... the only other option for me would be to drill into the manifold before the ports meet together, closer to say the number 3 cylinder.. thats where the probe was on my 03.. i may take a look tonight and decide what i want to do. but that front plate youre talking about sure does sound like an easy good idea, LOL!