What do you think of these rules?

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For a local club. Trying to get new pullers.

2.6 STREET DIESEL

Weight: 8000 lbs. Maximum, with driver.

2.6 Diesel class will also follow general rules and these following regulations:

REGULATIONS:
Ballast: Ballast is permitted. Hanging weights may not extend more than 60 inches from the centerline of the front axle. Vehicle must be able to drive forward on and off the scale. No weights may touch the scale.

Batteries: The batteries must be securely mounted. They may not be located in the driver compartment or forward of the radiator core support.

Body: The body must be an OEM truck body, including the full bed floor. The body must retain full sheet metal. Metal aftermarket hoods are permitted. Fiberglass is prohibited. The hood must be closed and securely latched while the vehicle is hooked to the sled. The complete OEM firewall and complete OEM floor pan is mandatory

Brakes: Four-wheel hydraulic brakes are mandatory.

Chassis: The OEM chassis is mandatory. The engine must be in the OEM location for the body used. The vehicle must retain the full OEM chassis. Wheel tubs, back-half conversions, tube
chassis, etc., are prohibited.

Cooling System: Radiators must be in the vicinity of the stock location and be of at least stock
size.

Credentials: All drivers must have a valid state drivers license. Truck must have proof of insurance.

Driveline: An OEM transmission and transfer case is mandatory. They must have been an option
on a one-ton or smaller pickup.

Driver Restraint System: The OEM restraint system is mandatory and must be worn.

Driveshaft Loops: All trucks must have at least six inch wide u-joint shields around the rear ujoint constructed of at least 1/4 inch steel or 3/8 inch aluminum that will safely contain the u-joint and the end of the rear shaft. All shields must be securely mounted to the vehicle. Any front shaft u-joint that is visible from the side of the truck must be shielded to contain the u-joint and the end of the shaft. A new puller will be granted a one-time waiver of this requirement.

Engine: The engine is limited to a stock-appearing, OEM make-specific compression ignition
engine. Blocks must circulate coolant freely. The use of concrete or other block fillers is prohibited. All factory belt driven accessories must be retained and powered via the crankshaft by a standard serpentine or ‘V’ belt, this includes water pump, power steering pump, and alternator. The air conditioning pump may be removed . Electric fans are permitted.

Exhaust: All vehicles must be equipped to direct exhaust upward. The exhaust must exit
rearward of the driver’s compartment. Stacks exiting through the hood or fender-well
are prohibited. If the muffler or catalytic converter have been changed from stock, two 3/8 inch diameter bolts must be installed through the exhaust pipe in a cross pattern within one inch of each other as close to the turbo as is practical.

Fire Extinguisher System: A fire extinguisher system is recommended. It must be securely mounted.

Fuel: The fuel must be pump #1/#2 diesel only. Soy/Bio-diesel fuel is permitted. Off-road diesel
fuel is prohibited.

Fuel Injection Pump: The fuel injection pump is limited to a stock-appearing, OEM engine
make and model specific pump only. P-pump allowed only if that model year was a factory option. Dual high-pressure common-rail fuel pumps are prohibited. Dual High Pressure Oil Pumps on 7.3 liter Powerstroke engines are permitted. The P7100 injection pump, if equipped, must utilize a stock-appearing governor.

Hitch: The hitch must be a receiver-style hitch; reinforcements are permitted. Reinforcements
must not extend forward of the centerline of the rear axle. Trick hitches are prohibited. Hooking point must be at least 44 inches rearward from the centerline of the rear axle. The hitch must be horizontal to the ground and stationary in all directions. Bumpers may be notched or removed. Vehicle must h ave bump stops if vehicle has a roll pan or no bumper.The hitch’s height from the ground may not exceed 26 inches on 4wd units and 30 inches on 2wd units. The hooking point must have a minimum 3.750-inch inside diameter opening for the sled hook. The hooking point will be measured to the center of the clevis loop.

Interior: A complete interior, including dashboard, door panels, headliner, etc., is mandatory.
Two matching front seats are mandatory. Aftermarket seats are permitted; they must be fully
upholstered. All factory controls (lights, signals, horn, windows, wipers, etc.) must be retained and be operative. The use of hand-throttle controls are prohibited unless the vehicle has a handicapped driver and accompanying state disabled acknowledgment.

Kill switch: Sled operated kill switch is mandatory on all vehicles. On mechanical injected motors air shutoff required. Must be in middle of truck and have a ridged 2” ring.

Nitrous Oxide: Nitrous oxide is prohibited. All system components must be removed from
the truck.

Propane: Propane is prohibited. All system components must be removed from
the truck.

RPM: The class is limited to 4500 rpms. It is up the the driver to prove

Rear End: Non-OEM rear-end housings are prohibited. The rear end must have=2 0been an option
on a one-ton or smaller pick up. Rear axle bolts must be covered by a cap or shield.

Steering: The vehicle must retain the full, original OEM steering gear. The vehicle must retain
the original OEM power steering assistance, if it was so equipped. Additional stabilizers are
permitted. Non-OEM power assist methods are prohibited.

Street Equipment: Complete headlight and taillight assemblies (all) are mandatory and must be
operative, both headlights must be installed in the vehicle while hooked to the sled. Complete OEM windshield and windows are mandatory. Windows must be operative per factory specifications; that is, they must open and close via OEM electrical or mechanical means.

Suspension, Front: The factory suspension configuration must be retained. The upper mounting
point for strut assemblies must be in the factory location. Adjustable caster/camber pillow ball
mounts are permitted. The lower control arm may be strengthened provided factory-mounting
points to chassis are maintained. The lower mounting point for the strut assembly may be
modified for improved caster or camber. Strut tower braces, lower tie bars, sway bars, and limit straps are permitted. Traction bars and devices are permitted. The final decision rests with the Fantasy Technical Department.

Suspension, Rear: An OEM-style suspension is mandatory. Traction bars and devices are
permitted; they must be bolt on only; welds are permitted for attachment to frame or axle
housing. Cont rol arms may be strengthened or replaced, provided all original mounting points are
retained. Strut tower braces, lower tie bars, sway bars, limit straps, and camber kits are permitted.
The rear suspension may be bolted solid to eliminate travel. All rear suspensions must use at
least one working shock absorber per wheel. Air suspension add on is permitted, but the compressor must be disconnected.

Tires: The tires must be DOT street tires. Cut tires are prohibited. Dual rear wheels are permitted on rear of a truck that came as a factory option and must include a factory dually bed. Flat bed conversions will be allowed a two event waiver, then they must run single rear tires. Maximum tire size 35x12.5. Maximum rim width is 10”.

Tow Vehicles: Tow vehicles are prohibited.

Transfer Case: Non-OEM transfer cases are prohibited. It must have been an option on a one-ton
or smaller pick up truck.

Transmission, Automatic: Non-OEM transmissions are prohibited. Aftermarket torque
converters, valve bodies and internal components are permitted. Transmission brakes
are prohibited. Automatic transmissions must utilize the OEM shifting.

Transmission, Manual: Non-OEM transmissions are prohibited. Aftermarket internal
components are permitted. All manual transmissions must be clutch assisted. Sequential shifters are prohibited. SFI 4.1 or 4.2 transmission blanket that completely covers the bell housing; it must be attached to the block and extend rearward t o the transmission with a minimum six inch overlap where it is fastened is encouraged.

Turbocharger: The vehicle is limited to a single turbocharger; the inducer bore on the compressor housing may be 2.6”. The inlet will be measured using a 2.65-inch plug or internal calipers. Bushing from any larger turbo size down to a 2.6 turbo is PROHIBITED. A stock map width enhancement (MWE) groove is allowed. No MWE groove will be allowed that has a width greater than 1/4 inch. All provisions allowing air to the wheel other than via the bore and the MWE groove are prohibited. 6.4 liter Powerstroke engines may utilize the factory twin-turbo configuration.

Water Injection: Water injection is prohibited. All system components must be removed from
the truck.

Wheelbase: The vehicle must retain the original unaltered factory wheelbase and track width.
Front dual-wheel spacers may be used only with accompanying positive-offset dually style
wheels
 
Need to rework the turbo rule. TS had some of the best rules written for the 2.6 I think. The setup you have will allow someone to run a 3.0 wheel and just have a front cover modified.

Remove the RPM limit unless your doing it to keep the safety stuff off the truck. IF that matter tell someone if their truck turns over 4500 they need to provide the safety equipment for it.
 
Need to rework the turbo rule. TS had some of the best rules written for the 2.6 I think. The setup you have will allow someone to run a 3.0 wheel and just have a front cover modified.

Remove the RPM limit unless your doing it to keep the safety stuff off the truck. IF that matter tell someone if their truck turns over 4500 they need to provide the safety equipment for it.

Well noted on the turbo rule.

About the rpm rule, I was thinking to keep it a starter class limit RPM and you limit the need for safety equiptment, plus keep the field more level. It takes more money to turn more rpm. If someone wants to run more rpm then they must step up to the bigger class. Trying to keep the little (2.6) class fair and cheap to get into as a newer puller.
 
Well noted on the turbo rule.

About the rpm rule, I was thinking to keep it a starter class limit RPM and you limit the need for safety equiptment, plus keep the field more level. It takes more money to turn more rpm. If someone wants to run more rpm then they must step up to the bigger class. Trying to keep the little (2.6) class fair and cheap to get into as a newer puller.


Not going to happen in truck pulling no matter what you do with the rules, unless you say no modifications at all, but then no one will show up! But, other than that they look pretty good. What about engine swaps? What if I wanted to put a Duramax motor in my puller for this class? Just asking, someone will sooner or later!
 
I dont care for the sinlge CP3 thing. I think this gives the P pump guys a huge advantage IMHO. Getting a big single CP3 costs more than a budget twin CP3 kit and the relieabilty is not nearly as good. Which drives the cost up even more. My $.02
 
definitely gotta be dual cp3s allowed on the CR trucks or you'll have nothing but p-pump trucks stomping the dog snot out of everyone, period. The rest looks alright/typical to me.
 
P-pump allowed only if that model year was a factory option


Lot of p-pump 24 valve guys wont like that...
 
Why Tow rigs prohibited??? I have never understod that. Ya I know they want street trucks, but what if something breaks? then you have to make a huge long trip to go get the trailer, instead of just loading it up.


Most of the guys I pull with still drive their trucks, but for smarts sake tow them to the pull.
 
They mean you can't use a tow rig to stage the vehicle would be my guess.
 
The goal was to limit the trucks. I feel that once you allow Twin CP3s on a d-max then you almost create internal engine modifications needed. We don't want built motors in the 2.6 class. We have a 3.0 class for that. The point is to basically have a work stock class but with hanging weights and fully blocked suspension. The rest of my thinking is that if a truck blows a stock turbo, we don't want to force that guy to buy a factory replacement when he might be able to get an aftermarket one cheaper. My thinking is also that if we have P-pumped dodges whooping up on everyone we will just add a rule of something like "P-pumped Dodges weight limit is 7800 pounds." The goal is to try to make a 450 - 500 ish rwhp class, maybe that can't happen. One that any person can jump into and pull competitively with a street truck.

Also on the 24 valve guys converting to the p-pumps. If they spend that kind of money they must step into the bigger class. IMO there is no place for conversions in this class. If you want to pull in the small class leave your vp44 on it.

I am looking for input on how to make our area pulling better. I enjoy the discussion and the thought process. One other thing to note is we have a bigger class already and our turn outs are like my Ford, 10 d-maxes and 1 p-pumped dodge. Then at a few shows we do have a couple of VP44 trucks that show up from time to time. There just aren't really any p-pumped dodges pulling around here. So in our area I am not really that worried about p-pumped dodges. Now if a class like this brings them out in force then we may have to address changes in the future.
 
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definitely gotta be dual cp3s allowed on the CR trucks or you'll have nothing but p-pump trucks stomping the dog snot out of everyone, period. The rest looks alright/typical to me.

Dont have to have dual pumps Mitch!
 
I would have to agree dual cp3s would be nice lots of people have them and the cr cummins guys even have them. I also know a lot of dmax guys running them on stock motors. I would run one if I could afford it. They are way simpler than changing the cp3 in the valley with a high performance one. for some of us guys with early dmaxs its the best way to get the needed fuel without a ton of disassembly to the motor.
 
get rid of the tire/rim rules, let people run any uncut DOT tire they want along with any rim they want......cause if your going that far you might as well just have a spec tire/rim for the entire class.......

got a question on the wheel adapters too.....you say they got to be positive offset wheels used, but you dont dictate back spacing or width.....so i can take a 10 inch wheel and have a dually center welded inside it correct?

so 1st gen dodges cant run a p-pump, and CR trucks cant run double CP3's but powerstrokes are allowed dual HPOP's......sounds a little unfair to me......

get rid of the rules for the flatbed trucks too, just say they need to have a professionally manufactured flat bed (EBY, Hillsboro, that type)
 
get rid of the tire/rim rules, let people run any uncut DOT tire they want along with any rim they want......cause if your going that far you might as well just have a spec tire/rim for the entire class.......

got a question on the wheel adapters too.....you say they got to be positive offset wheels used, but you dont dictate back spacing or width.....so i can take a 10 inch wheel and have a dually center welded inside it correct?

so 1st gen dodges cant run a p-pump, and CR trucks cant run double CP3's but powerstrokes are allowed dual HPOP's......sounds a little unfair to me......

get rid of the rules for the flatbed trucks too, just say they need to have a professionally manufactured flat bed (EBY, Hillsboro, that type)

Dual HPOP's just keep the oil pressure up so the injector will be able to work right at higher rpms... It doesn't supply more fuel like a p-pump or dual cp-3's. Plus our Fords need all the help we can get... :D
 
get rid of the tire/rim rules, let people run any uncut DOT tire they want along with any rim they want......cause if your going that far you might as well just have a spec tire/rim for the entire class.......

got a question on the wheel adapters too.....you say they got to be positive offset wheels used, but you dont dictate back spacing or width.....so i can take a 10 inch wheel and have a dually center welded inside it correct?

so 1st gen dodges cant run a p-pump, and CR trucks cant run double CP3's but powerstrokes are allowed dual HPOP's......sounds a little unfair to me......

get rid of the rules for the flatbed trucks too, just say they need to have a professionally manufactured flat bed (EBY, Hillsboro, that type)

Our club has the rim and tire rules, has had them for ever in the gas trucks so they get stuck on our diesel class, we can't change that. After dealing with them for a few year I actually like it.

Wheel adapters. It is meant for a dually that wants to run wider tires in the front then the back, Let's say, 285/75 r16 in the back and 305/70 r 16 in the front. They can run a 10" wide rim in the front, but they just have to take the dually adapters off.

On the powerstroke Twin HPOP issues. I am a Ford guy, I hate to say this, but you can't make 400 rwhp with a single pump and a 2.6 turbo with a 7.3. I don't think if you can even make 500 rwhp with a 7.3 and dual pumps. I don't think a Ford with Heui injection will ever have an unfair advantage. The only way to give the Fords an advantage would be to let them run Dual pumps and give them NOS.
 
Dont have to have dual pumps Mitch!

Fine then, Wes says he don't need a stinking second CP3 on his fancy shmancy CR Dodge but the DMax sure will need one to compete with max-effort p-pump trucks.




Lube..., with the way your rules are proposed right now, there is the possibility of 800rwhp+ trucks to be in that class and fit the rules. You can run a gigantic 2.6 charger with a modified cover and some with a p-pump can run a huge amount of fuel. Wes Wade is just bad enough he don't need either one and can still make that much. :bow: LOL

Bottom line is, those rules are FAR from limiting the power to 450-500rwhp. Stock turbo, BPU (basic performance upgrades like tuning, exhaust, lift pump, etc.) DMax and CR Dodge trucks can make 500+rwhp all day long. Allow them to put a modded single CP3 with a 2.6 charger (like your rules allow for) and they can go over 600rwhp pretty regularly with some probably knocking on 650-700rwhp or more if you're Wes Wade. :rockwoot: Let them hang another cp3 and fuel as much as a p-pump truck or Wes in his CR and their potential has yet to be determined but it is way, WAY north of the 500rwhp you are talking about.



C-ya


p.s. Wes, just messin with ya a little bit. Everyone knows yours is the cream of the crop, and one of the trucks most aim to beat. That is said as a compliment. ;) It goes without saying, your truck hooks like few others. It's very impressive almost everytime it's on the track. Bad tuning Fri. night though. :kick: :Cheer: but you recovered nicely Sat. :clap:
 
The goal was to limit the trucks. I feel that once you allow Twin CP3s on a d-max then you almost create internal engine modifications needed. We don't want built motors in the 2.6 class.

A duramax with any charger bigger than the stock one is on borrowed time without a built motor anyways. I still struggle to understand the point of creating your own set of rules instead of just adopting NADM's word for word, it allows your members to be competitive at the next level, I get what your going for but why make things more complicated than they have to be? But I am impressed by the change of your stance on engine conversions.

Your pump rules really open up a can of rules though and if your going to limit them the way you are, all loop holes should probably be eliminated and so on for instance "P-pump allowed only if that model year was a factory option" Does that go for truck or engine? What about those running 24v cylinder heads on 12v? How do you govern trucks with motor swaps? IMO all these rules are just setting up your 2.6 class up for failure, but on the hand, I hope you do suceed, since Badger wont step up and create a 2.6 class of there own.
 
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