650hp #2

Tried to go back and delete all my post in this thread but they don't allow it.....admin can you hook that up!

Sorry I don't have time to explain everything I've learned over the last 6 years with my truck......I do have a life, for now I have to go train some Sailors for the Navy...my real job!

BOTW, my skin is pretty thick......love you bunches!

Jim
 
Hammer said:
I may be bad at math but knowing what it takes to make 650 means more fuel than a "stock" 215 pump can deliver.However,knowing Fulmer and his definition of ''stock and bench tweaks" and that his definition of water meth means little or no water and all methanol,it might be possible,but,I doubt it.



You can make well over 650hp on a 215 pump. Power is not always the amount of fuel you have it how you present it. Jim is a man of his word and would not B.S. you or anybody. You can be the fastest picher in the world but if you cant make it over the plate you stink. Its all about presentation.
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Hammer said:
I guess then thats why you call Jetpilot all the time for tuning tips,right?Andy
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Andy, Yeah I've talked to Doug plenty of times about when I was trying to setup my nitrous, as I have never used it before and he was a big help, also talked to him some about my 12v conversion since he had an 01 p pumped24v. And making power with nitrous is pretty easy, you just have to have the right setup. So just because you can't make good power on a 215 pump and others can dosent mean it's not possible, they just probably know more than you about them. Some people are good at some things and not so good at others. So maybe you should just stick to detailing your truck.

Hammer said:
Its just a case of who wants to push the envelope that hard to knock you off the high horse your touting.
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Your right anybody can do it, and I dont believe I've been touting any high horse......There's no need to hate on people that make HP, just because you can't or wont.
 
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Hammer said:
Buck...
My jest at you was in fun and meant to show or say there is alot more out there than II.Its your wallet and your dollar,spend it where you want and good luck.
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Ok, no big deal, sorry I got defensive.

The reason why I posted, is to get some opinions. I want a reliable pump that flows a good deal of fuel...maybe II, maybe some one elses. The only experience I've had with a pump is the 180hp pump that came on my truck. That goes with everything else on the list I posted, just looking for opinions and experience.:thankyou2:
 
Garmon has put down over 600 rwhp on a 160 pump thats never been off the truck I believe. Surely a 215 could go 650?
 
B18B1LS1 said:
Garmon has put down over 600 rwhp on a 160 pump thats never been off the truck I believe. Surely a 215 could go 650?
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I call BS, Jeff can't do that, because I haven't done it :)

Jim
 
I have the Dragon fly sticks now & have run Dragon flow 10's previously. I get no smoke without my box on. I dynoed 476hp/936lbft. 2 years ago with just my injectors, a edge comp [not drag] & a 62/12 turbo. This was on Dave Dunbars dyno & Dave told me that the graph was the smoothest that he has seen. I have tried Bullydog, JL, DD, RV275 injectors & non have compared to these Dragon fly sticks. I've been asked multiple times "how does your truck idle so smooth?" I haven't tried F1 or DDP, but have no desire.
 
Brad and Jim...
So then let me get this straight.....
A 215 HP 887 Pump,stock,WILL make 650hp with only bench tweaks and let me see here how you just put it.......Oh Yeah,PRESENTATION.....Hmmm,I am guessing that all the big pump shops out there must contact you two because their obviously lacking with their "presentations" if their higher flowing pumps can not make the grade your stockers do.And to think all along I was missing that one top secret tuning tip.

BTW Mr.Ponci I NEVER said Jim lied about anything,however,I will say he has a vivid interpretation of what defines "stock".Answer me this Oh Gods Of HP Presentation....IF what Jim and you claim to be possible,then do you not feel that there would be a hell of alot more 12v trucks slamming the 600hp and beyond barrier than the few you do get to see or hear about?.


Ah Young Brett....
What can I say to you that won't get my azz booted off here.I know what I want to tell you after that last post,but,I'd rather it not get ugly here as its best told to you in person.Your right,I'll stick to keeping my truck clean as I have nothing to to make power with and do not have the proper presentation.
 
Good Morning Andy!

Brad Ponci, remember that 215 that I borrowed from you way back in the day when my 13mm pump smashed the cam! If memory serves me correct that pump had never been to the stand, I know when I had it we had a dyno event in Lewisville Tx. and I went down there and did 650 on #2 and 715 on water/meth, after that even I drove up to southern Ok. and found out after I filled up that I had some bad fuel, don't know if it would have helped the power though.

Now if my memory is correct when I sent that pump back to you is when you did the 660hp at your local dyno.

My setup on this event was a 40/BB twin set, dragon flows, 181 dv's, stock holders and lines.

I have always wanted to run a Columbus or Scheid pump as I've heard so much good out of them but I didn't so business with them so I didn't feel like it was my place to "just switch shops" and throw someone under the bus, especially on the net.

Problems, I have had isses or broken just about everything in my drive train at one time or another, the exception would be the SPS 66 or the S/B 66, never had an issue with either turbo except one exhaust housing.....that was my fault.

Jim
 
Ol Andy,

If your going to come on here and snap an attitude at people like that, you should expect a response like that, I didn't mean to ruin valentines day.
 
Andy, sorry you feel the way you do. There is help. Its called viagra. Then you can be a big boy like the rest of us.
 
Bponci said:
Andy, sorry you feel the way you do. There is help. Its called viagra. Then you can be a big boy like the rest of us.
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I tried that once, I thought she was going to die on me :hehe:

Jim
 
smokinrod said:
:bang if only he knew:hehe:
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Teach me then, I am not too hard headed. Have you tried the Dragon fly's? What injectors do you like better? If it gets better than these, I will try them.
 
cummins724 said:
Teach me then, I am not too hard headed. Have you tried the Dragon fly's? What injectors do you like better? If it gets better than these, I will try them.
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Thats one of those comments thats probably best to just let it pass. A case of someone thinking they know about something and they are uninformed or misinformed. Your injectors reacted the way they did for a reason. Did you look closely at them before you put them in compared to the ones you were using prior? You like them and they run strong thats what matters right.
 
Andy, sorry you feel the way you do. There is help. Its called viagra. Then you can be a big boy like the rest of us.
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Thanks there Dr.Brad...
So tell me,do you use the ground up version for the maximum effect in your pumps you do because its seems like you have alot of knowledge about this product.

Again....
I will ask you two HP Gods,Jim and Brad.....
IF what your claiming is true,650hp on a "stock" 887 pump,then do you not feel there would be alot more 600hp trucks around at events all over?.

I am once again amazed and then feel bad for the guys who go to dyno shows all over this country and compete.They spend maximum amounts of dollars to get the fueling to run hard and lay down numbers when you guys say all you need is a "stock" pump.Imagine the money one could save and spend elsewhere is they didn't need to spend it on a big dollar pump.

If your going to come on here and snap an attitude at people like that, you should expect a response like that, I didn't mean to ruin valentines day.
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Ah Yes,Once Again Young Brett...Mr.790 himself....
Ruin Valentines Day,Nope..
Attitude with you,certainly you jest..
Well Ok,I lied....
I tire easily with those like you and sit here and wonder if maybe your related to Wade.You act just like him when you try vainly to shove your "I am better than you attitude and your nothing" into others faces.
 
Hammer said:
Thanks there Dr.Brad...
So tell me,do you use the ground up version for the maximum effect in your pumps you do because its seems like you have alot of knowledge about this product.

Again....
I will ask you two HP Gods,Jim and Brad.....
IF what your claiming is true,650hp on a "stock" 887 pump,then do you not feel there would be alot more 600hp trucks around at events all over?.

I am once again amazed and then feel bad for the guys who go to dyno shows all over this country and compete.They spend maximum amounts of dollars to get the fueling to run hard and lay down numbers when you guys say all you need is a "stock" pump.Imagine the money one could save and spend elsewhere is they didn't need to spend it on a big dollar pump.



Ah Yes,Once Again Young Brett...Mr.790 himself....
Ruin Valentines Day,Nope..
Attitude with you,certainly you jest..
Well Ok,I lied....
I tire easily with those like you and sit here and wonder if maybe your related to Wade.You act just like him when you try vainly to shove your "I am better than you attitude and your nothing" into others faces.
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LOL Yeah, Im the Comp D Bulley
 
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Hammer said:
Thanks there Dr.Brad...
So tell me,do you use the ground up version for the maximum effect in your pumps you do because its seems like you have alot of knowledge about this product.

Again....
I will ask you two HP Gods,Jim and Brad.....
IF what your claiming is true,650hp on a "stock" 887 pump,then do you not feel there would be alot more 600hp trucks around at events all over?.

I am once again amazed and then feel bad for the guys who go to dyno shows all over this country and compete.They spend maximum amounts of dollars to get the fueling to run hard and lay down numbers when you guys say all you need is a "stock" pump.Imagine the money one could save and spend elsewhere is they didn't need to spend it on a big dollar pump.



Ah Yes,Once Again Young Brett...Mr.790 himself....
Ruin Valentines Day,Nope..
Attitude with you,certainly you jest..
Well Ok,I lied....
I tire easily with those like you and sit here and wonder if maybe your related to Wade.You act just like him when you try vainly to shove your "I am better than you attitude and your nothing" into others faces.
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I curious as to what YOU believe is capable with a "stock" 180/215 pump??
 
Dude I think the biggest reason there aren't that many 600hp truck out there is because headwork (O-rings, studs at the least), turbo/s (66mm single or decent twins), and transmission work (clutch, full auto build).

Those are the expensive parts that hold people back IMO. It is easy to get the fuel! A set of $400 injectors, home ground plate and modded AFC and maybe $125-$200 DV's are all it takes!
 
Muddin_dude06 said:
Dude I think the biggest reason there aren't that many 600hp truck out there is because headwork (O-rings, studs at the least), turbo/s (66mm single or decent twins), and transmission work (clutch, full auto build).

Those are the expensive parts that hold people back IMO. It is easy to get the fuel! A set of $400 injectors, home ground plate and modded AFC and maybe $125-$200 DV's are all it takes!
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Most people get pissed when I tell them I make 600 or #2 with 370's! Some may say...well a dynojet is lying, so I went to floor it's load dyno and did 591 with that same setup.

I see and hear from guys that can't make power and have the parts to do it! It really frustrates me when I talk to them on the phone and walk through every step and it's still at 500 or less.......urrr! Wishing I had there truck here to play with for a while.

Jim
 
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