Advice on build

[Howling]

I can't seem to find it on their site

 

[95cummins5.9]

I'm interested in results if you go that route.

 

[Ghostman]

Just another option.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.699771106710302.1073741839.160773747276710&type=1

Nice looking option.


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[Howling]

Doing some digging and found a little info -
S300SX3-64.5FMW, which is essentially a ‘larger’ version of the S300SX3-62FMW unit we’ve been providing for several years. The main difference being that this is an all-new compressor, in 64.5/87.4mm dimension, and, of course, it’s a Forged Milled Wheel compressor. The ‘box’ unit will be offered with the 76/68mm (more ‘cupped’) turbine wheel, as this offers the most flexibility with regard to optional housings, and it will be assembled with the highest-flowing housing, the 1.10A/R. (any housing available just ask)

The all-new compressor was developed by the same team who designed the EFR Series, and the wheel is expected to meet or exceed the current cast-aluminum 66/91mm compressor, but, with the smaller exducer, response will be enhanced. This wheel will be fully mapped by BWTS prior to product release. The unit will be fitted at the factory with the upgraded, 6-pad thrust system for enhanced durability.

Hard decisions .83 or .91 on the 64.5

More air more fuel more fun

 

[Hurley]

so.... 65/68? - what's the fin count on that turbine - 10?

why not the S467 with the 74mm turbine?

 

[95cummins5.9]

He wants to tow.

 

[Hurley]

I know that, sorry, was more or less questioning Smokem.

I wouldn't want to tow with my setup, much less a larger charger.

 

[95cummins5.9]

I towed my camper with a 63/71/13. Maybe 4500 lbs. It was barely able to stay cool unless I kept rpm up.

 

[Smokem]

so.... 65/68? - what's the fin count on that turbine - 10?

Yes.

why not the S467 with the 74mm turbine?

Are you referring to using the S400 compressor wheel in an S300 chassis?

 

[Howling]

I just want to be able to tow if I need to, I won't be doing a lot of towing with the truck just want to build it to use as a truck and not turn out like my 06 is with a single S475/83/. 90 with less than 25k miles on the truck.

Talked to Mike more at SPS and I really need to think about the 64.5 FMW

 

[Hurley]

Are you referring to using the S400 compressor wheel in an S300 chassis?

No, BW Airwerks S400SX3 charger [178856 Cartridge] - 67.7 Comp with the 83/74 turbine and one's choice of turbine housing.

 

[Chrisd91]

The nongated is around 770 shipped.

If you are nice to vendors they'll get you a slightly better price than that. Hell, mine even came with a free t-shirt lol. I didn't like the hose discharge

 

[Chrisd91]

I inquired about the FMW 62 and the 63 to a dealer this was his response

I can say that there is sufficient material on the 179079 turbine housing outlet flange to re-profile the v-flange to the 4.0” o.d. of the half-Marmon “HX40” flange, but I can’t confirm whether your existing turbine outlet pipe will physically fit in the same position, as that flange is mounted several inches ‘rearward’ compared to the AirWerks-style housings.

*

From a specific, functional standpoint, there is very little difference between the 177283 (63/88x76/68mm rotor, .88A/R housing) and the 179079 (62/83x76/68mm rotor, .83A/R housing), other than turbine housing design and A/R.* In reality, the 177283 is a superior unit in terms of peak flow.* The fitment differences, however, are greater:

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179079:* 4” hose inlet, 2.5” ‘straight’ hose outlet compressor connection.* ITEC-specific turbine housing and bearing housing connections.* 0.83A/R, twin-volute, T4-flanged turbine housing.

177283: *4” hose inlet, 3.0” ’90-degree’ hose outlet compressor connection.* Deere-specific turbine housing and bearing housing connections.* 0.88A/R, single-volute, T4 flanged turbine housing.


I did get a map for the 62 but it needs to be converted to lbs/min

The outlet is annoying, but still cleared the firewall high mounted. I ground down a 1/2 Marman flange to fit, and the breeze VT10413 appears to be the proper clamp.

 

[Ghostman]

anyone have a part number for the newer 64.5 FMW?

 

[Howling]

I'll have to look later when I get home. You might want to email Mike if you have any questions about it.

MFranke@se-power.com

The only thing I was unsure about was the 64.5 compressor wheel and the 68 turbine wheel being close in size it might have a potential to surge more.

 

[BenM]

The outlet is annoying, but still cleared the firewall high mounted. I ground down a 1/2 Marman flange to fit, and the breeze VT10413 appears to be the proper clamp.

Have that long outlet cut down to something like this to give you more room.

 

[Headcase98002]

I towed my camper with a 63/71/13. Maybe 4500 lbs. It was barely able to stay cool unless I kept rpm up.

I've towed a little with s464/83/.90 and I didn't have much trouble. It was a heavy dump trailer with 4 rick of wood. Not sure the weight.

Have that long outlet cut down to something like this to give you more room. View attachment 49079

Can you elaborate more? Maybe pics without the clamps?

 

[feller]

I don't see a reason to justify the extra cost for the FMW64.5 or FMW62 over the cast 63. The cast 63 pretty much flows what the 66 does and the FMW64.5 is only expected to meet or barely out perform the cast 66. After all, we are only talking 1 pound of air/min more.

Another confusing thought...

I've read a lot about how a cast 64.5 and the 68mm turbine don't get along because the turbine not having quite enough push to properly run the compressor however borgwarner is pairing the "higher flowing" FMW64.5 with the 68mm turbine.

Doesn't make sense.

One more thing...

Why do the cast 62,63 & 66 all flow pretty much the same amount of air?

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[Chrisd91]

Have that long outlet cut down to something like this to give you more room. View attachment 49079

Is that a 3" v band you had it machined to?

 

[Big Blue24]

Looking for a little advice.

I'm building my 96 12v (auto with 3:55 gears on 35" tires 155k) for a fun street truck that my wife can drive and can tow. Looking for around 500ish hp and somewhat budget friendly. It is pretty much stock now.

I'd strongly recommend you keep the stock HX35 and build a mild compound turbo setup using something cheap like an HT3B, HT60, S475, or similar. If you go the used route on an HT3B, you could build a complete compound turbo setup with big turbo, filter, lines, boots, etc for around $750-$800.

There isn't a more tow friendly, wife friendly, budget friendly, fun friendly setup out there for a 12 valve Cummins. You can spend time and money playing with a single aftermarket turbo, at the end of the day you'll spend more money and have less useable power than a budget-built compound turbo setup.