Hi guys,
I'm new here, and I joined because I'm looking for input that I suspect a few of you might be able to help with.
My story:
I currently have a 2008 CC 6.4 ford, and It's a pretty cool truck with the spartan tuner on it.
However, I've recently had a "revelation".... I need a new truck for work, and after test driving a bunch of new diesels, I just feel like my passion lies with old school engines. The new powerstrokes, duramax's, and cummins just aren't doing anything for me.
So, I am leasing a crappy gas truck for work, and building a diesel project truck at home. I'm not "trust fund" rich, but I have a decent income, and modest household expenses, so I do think I can afford to do this.
My goal:
I want to buy a 2008-2010 ford superduty, with a blown engine, and transplant a DT 466 in it, and modify the truck's drivetrain to match the power output. I don't want a high revving sled pull machine, or a racing truck, just a DD with gobs of TQ and some decent power. 3000 RPM red line is what I'm after, and about 400 HP, which should feel plenty powerful with that engine.
I've chosen those years of truck, because they are easy to take the cab off, and also very comfortable. I don't want to pour money into some truck that's 10 or 20 years old if I'm planning to drive it for a long time. I also believe the rad/ intercooler on the 6.4 truck will be usable for the DT at the power levels I'm shooting for.
I'm going to list in point format, different objectives/ questions that I will spill what I think I know, and ask for input also:
-Engine size:
From what I've read and measured, I believe the 466 SHOULD fit in the new SD without an engine fan, and firewall mods, but WITH the rad / intercooler assembly present. Depending on exact placement of engine, and year of engine, a hood cowl might be required to clear air plumbing on the engine. Likewise, a custom oil pan might need to be made to provide clearance under the engine.
-Transmission:
There are a lot of options, but I really want to know what 6-sp stick shift will go behind the 466 and hold that kind of TQ. I've heard all kinds of suggestions with transmissions that range in cost from 500$ to 20,000$.... I really need some good honest answers on that.
-Transfer case:
From what I think I know, a divorced transfer case will be the best option. Unfortunately every driveshaft on this sucker will have to be custom made, arrrgghh.
-Differentials:
This is another thing that I can't find good information on. Some say stock ford axles would work, but I would really like something that will last a long time and take the beating of crappy roads and offroading. I'd rather spend a little more and not need an alignment every few months.
-Gear ratio's:
This is something that I currently don't even know how I'm going to accomplish. I want to have the engine run 1300-1500 RPM's at 60 mph. With an engine this size, it should push the truck just fine, and I can drop a gear to tow with.
-Engine performance:
I think that with the power levels I have in mind, I should'nt need any internal modifications. I am planning to find an engine, give it a full rebuild, and call it good. I am very interested in using 2 stock p-pumps to deliver fuel. The primary one would have timing set around 20* or so, and the secondary could deliver fuel right at TDC. I would connect the 2 pumps with high pressure fittings so that they share the same injector lines. Is there a kit available to run 2 pumps? Would it be more cost effective to use p7100 pumps? and is there a kit available to do so?
Will a 6.4 turbo setup likely work for this? Or should I think about a different setup? I don't want a giant turbo that takes all day to spool, I want something that makes big boost from low RPM's, so that the engine feels very powerful accross the entire RPM range.
-Truck electrical modifications:
I think the hardest part is going to be getting the truck guages and other electrical parts to work properly. Maybe the easiest way to do this, is leave the PCM in the truck, pull out the check engine light, and try to adapt the speed sensors etc to the new engine/ transmission?
Thanks for any ideas in advance.
I have transplanted engines before, but nothing this involved, difficult, or expensive. As I said before, the newer diesel engines just don't rub me the right way, so this is my solution.
I know a cummins transplant would be a bit easier, but heck I just don't feel like doing that.
I know this can be done, I've just never seen a build like this. There are a few low budget 466 hack job transplants I've seen, and some nice expensive as hell sled pull builds, but nothing I've seen as far as a newer truck used as a daily driver.
My expectations of this project are to spend roughly around 40,000$, and have a truck that is special, powerful, and everything I want.
:Cheer:
I'm new here, and I joined because I'm looking for input that I suspect a few of you might be able to help with.
My story:
I currently have a 2008 CC 6.4 ford, and It's a pretty cool truck with the spartan tuner on it.
However, I've recently had a "revelation".... I need a new truck for work, and after test driving a bunch of new diesels, I just feel like my passion lies with old school engines. The new powerstrokes, duramax's, and cummins just aren't doing anything for me.
So, I am leasing a crappy gas truck for work, and building a diesel project truck at home. I'm not "trust fund" rich, but I have a decent income, and modest household expenses, so I do think I can afford to do this.
My goal:
I want to buy a 2008-2010 ford superduty, with a blown engine, and transplant a DT 466 in it, and modify the truck's drivetrain to match the power output. I don't want a high revving sled pull machine, or a racing truck, just a DD with gobs of TQ and some decent power. 3000 RPM red line is what I'm after, and about 400 HP, which should feel plenty powerful with that engine.
I've chosen those years of truck, because they are easy to take the cab off, and also very comfortable. I don't want to pour money into some truck that's 10 or 20 years old if I'm planning to drive it for a long time. I also believe the rad/ intercooler on the 6.4 truck will be usable for the DT at the power levels I'm shooting for.
I'm going to list in point format, different objectives/ questions that I will spill what I think I know, and ask for input also:
-Engine size:
From what I've read and measured, I believe the 466 SHOULD fit in the new SD without an engine fan, and firewall mods, but WITH the rad / intercooler assembly present. Depending on exact placement of engine, and year of engine, a hood cowl might be required to clear air plumbing on the engine. Likewise, a custom oil pan might need to be made to provide clearance under the engine.
-Transmission:
There are a lot of options, but I really want to know what 6-sp stick shift will go behind the 466 and hold that kind of TQ. I've heard all kinds of suggestions with transmissions that range in cost from 500$ to 20,000$.... I really need some good honest answers on that.
-Transfer case:
From what I think I know, a divorced transfer case will be the best option. Unfortunately every driveshaft on this sucker will have to be custom made, arrrgghh.
-Differentials:
This is another thing that I can't find good information on. Some say stock ford axles would work, but I would really like something that will last a long time and take the beating of crappy roads and offroading. I'd rather spend a little more and not need an alignment every few months.
-Gear ratio's:
This is something that I currently don't even know how I'm going to accomplish. I want to have the engine run 1300-1500 RPM's at 60 mph. With an engine this size, it should push the truck just fine, and I can drop a gear to tow with.
-Engine performance:
I think that with the power levels I have in mind, I should'nt need any internal modifications. I am planning to find an engine, give it a full rebuild, and call it good. I am very interested in using 2 stock p-pumps to deliver fuel. The primary one would have timing set around 20* or so, and the secondary could deliver fuel right at TDC. I would connect the 2 pumps with high pressure fittings so that they share the same injector lines. Is there a kit available to run 2 pumps? Would it be more cost effective to use p7100 pumps? and is there a kit available to do so?
Will a 6.4 turbo setup likely work for this? Or should I think about a different setup? I don't want a giant turbo that takes all day to spool, I want something that makes big boost from low RPM's, so that the engine feels very powerful accross the entire RPM range.
-Truck electrical modifications:
I think the hardest part is going to be getting the truck guages and other electrical parts to work properly. Maybe the easiest way to do this, is leave the PCM in the truck, pull out the check engine light, and try to adapt the speed sensors etc to the new engine/ transmission?
Thanks for any ideas in advance.
I have transplanted engines before, but nothing this involved, difficult, or expensive. As I said before, the newer diesel engines just don't rub me the right way, so this is my solution.
I know a cummins transplant would be a bit easier, but heck I just don't feel like doing that.
I know this can be done, I've just never seen a build like this. There are a few low budget 466 hack job transplants I've seen, and some nice expensive as hell sled pull builds, but nothing I've seen as far as a newer truck used as a daily driver.
My expectations of this project are to spend roughly around 40,000$, and have a truck that is special, powerful, and everything I want.
:Cheer:
