shudder in reverse

dangerous06

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I have a built 48RE and was pushing a 12k trailer up a hill in reverse. The tranny was shuddering or lurching as I tryed to go up without spinning the tires! Is my clutch pack toast? I know the forward clutch pack is for reverse and 1-2 forward. Any ideas??
 
If it shuddered, it's probably the overdrive/direct clutch pack that slipped a little. On a 48re, it's the pack in the OD housing with 23 single sided clutch/steel combo disks that is applied by a large 830# spring. This clutch pack cannot slip in forward gears even if it is toast because there is a one-way roller clutch behind it that uses heavy steel rollers on a cam-type ring that 100% prevents slippage.

FYI, the forward clutch is released when the transmission shifts into reverse so there is virtually no probability that the forward clutch pack was causing the shuddering.

The low/reverse band is applied in reverse and there is a chance it was slipping and causing the shuddering. This band is pretty tough and would likely just need readjustment if it was slipping and shuddering. To gain access to low/reverse band adjustment, you have to drop the pan unfortunately.

On my 95' Junker Drag truck, the whole valvebody came loose and caused too low of pressure in reverse to fully engage the low/reverse band and the truck was unable to back up on anything but perfectly flat ground. It took a day or two to figure out what was wrong and by then it had burned off quite a bit of the band's lining but I was still able to readjust it and get many more miles out of it.

One way to test the low/reverse band would be to drive around in manual L on the gear shifter and see if you can detect any slippage.

A way to test the OD/Direct clutch pack would be to drive around in Drive with the OD/OFF and when your in 3rd gear, let off the throttle and see if there is any engine braking. If the truck seems to free wheel, it means the od/direct clutch pack is probably toast. Also take note that when you let off, the torque converter will unlock so don't confuse torque converter release with a lack of engine braking. A lock-up switch really helps with this diagnosis but if you drive carefully, you should be able to let off in 3rd and feel engine braking.
 
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If it shuddered, it's probably the overdrive/direct clutch pack that slipped a little. On a 48re, it's the pack in the OD housing with 23 single sided clutch/steel combo disks that is applied by a large 830# spring. This clutch pack cannot slip in forward gears even if it is toast because there is a one-way roller clutch behind it that uses heavy steel rollers on a cam-type ring that 100% prevents slippage.

FYI, the forward clutch is released when the transmission shifts into reverse so there is virtually no probability that the forward clutch pack was causing the shuddering.

The low/reverse band is applied in reverse and there is a chance it was slipping and causing the shuddering. This band is pretty tough and would likely just need readjustment if it was slipping and shuddering. To gain access to low/reverse band adjustment, you have to drop the pan unfortunately.

On my 95' Junker Drag truck, the whole valvebody came loose and caused too low of pressure in reverse to fully engage the low/reverse band and the truck was unable to back up on anything but perfectly flat ground. It took a day or two to figure out what was wrong and by then it had burned off quite a bit of the band's lining but I was still able to readjust it and get many more miles out of it.

One way to test the low/reverse band would be to drive around in manual L on the gear shifter and see if you can detect any slippage.

A way to test the OD/Direct clutch pack would be to drive around in Drive with the OD/OFF and when your in 3rd gear, let off the throttle and see if there is any engine braking. If the truck seems to free wheel, it means the od/direct clutch pack is probably toast. Also take note that when you let off, the torque converter will unlock so don't confuse torque converter release with a lack of engine braking. A lock-up switch really helps with this diagnosis but if you drive carefully, you should be able to let off in 3rd and feel engine braking.


I think he means the forward most clutch pack. I think it would be really hard to detect the slippage using engine braking. Of course if the clutches are toast your probably able too. A little shuddering in reverse you will probably be fine.

I don't think it is the forward most (direct) clutches as those are pretty robust as remember they are the ones that are applied under load all of the time. I haven't calculated the area of clutch surface for each one to see which is the smallest.
 
Thanks for the insight and explanation! Quick question about that lock up switch if it's on and the TQ is locked will this help slow the truck down going down hill with your foot of the pedal?
 
My built 48re has done this sine the upgraded converter and red clutches,very annoying with the 5er and GN backing up,shifting to 4x4 helps but if you find the cure please pass it on.
 
Thanks for the insight and explanation! Quick question about that lock up switch if it's on and the TQ is locked will this help slow the truck down going down hill with your foot of the pedal?

Yes, this will provide more engine braking.
 
Next time you have to back it up like that, have someone watch the driveline and axle...it might just be axle wrap, and not necessarily an issue with the transmission.
 
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