Are common rail trucks going to ruin diesel motorsports?

the F1 cars were making in the mid 800 hp range, but because of the power to weight ratio,the cars being so light, people in the stands were getting hurt or killed because some of the cars were basically getting air and flipping into the stands. so F1 had to detune the engines. and the mph was in the 220 to 226 range. remember these are small displacement engines,some of them being 3.4 liter V8.
 
RonA said:
Can the average guy that makes $60k per year and has a Mortgage afford to field a Formula 1 car?
(sorry, i posted just to be the 100th )
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I couldn't afford to put tires on one, much less field one!
 
If you have to do at least 1 (common rail)motor replacement per season, how will that effect people?
 
Boostediesel said:
the F1 cars were making in the mid 800 hp range, but because of the power to weight ratio,the cars being so light, people in the stands were getting hurt or killed because some of the cars were basically getting air and flipping into the stands. so F1 had to detune the engines. and the mph was in the 220 to 226 range. remember these are small displacement engines,some of them being 3.4 liter V8.
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The engineering into them that we only know about is just amazing. bore and stoke are just a few inches. They are now 2.4liter v8's.

Formula One engines - F1technical.net

F1 cars are some of the most bad ass motors ever built..

Another interesting fact, that I think is fact. (I have not double checked as I may have forgotten a few points). But if i'm not mistaken that say, our 5.9 making 800hp travels in our 4.5" stroke cylinder at 3000rpm the same distance per second that an 800hp F1 engine dose at 20,000.. cool eh?

I did the math real quick.. If you use the regulated maximum bore allowed of 98mm (3.85826772inches) to obtain the max liters the stoke couldn't be more then 1.5665 inches!!!
 
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JasonCzerak said:
The engineering into them that we only know about is just amazing. bore and stoke are just a few inches. They are now 2.4liter v8's.

Formula One engines - F1technical.net

F1 cars are some of the most bad ass motors ever built..

Another interesting fact, that I think is fact. (I have not double checked as I may have forgotten a few points). But if i'm not mistaken that say, our 5.9 making 800hp travels in our 4.5" stroke cylinder at 3000rpm the same distance per second that an 800hp F1 engine dose at 20,000.. cool eh?
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Engine longevity is all about average piston speed...a long stroke engine is bad when you turn some R's for longevity...but these's ole 5.9's don't do too bad considering...


I like CR's, but the carnage is too high for me when you try and push them right now...granted, I'll probably make less power with my 12v in my race truck...but at the same time I don't think the p-pump is done yet...I think there will be some things done to give it some more time on top...


Chris
 
Signature600 said:
Engine longevity is all about average piston speed...a long stroke engine is bad when you turn some R's for longevity...but these's ole 5.9's don't do too bad considering...


I like CR's, but the carnage is too high for me when you try and push them right now...granted, I'll probably make less power with my 12v in my race truck...but at the same time I don't think the p-pump is done yet...I think there will be some things done to give it some more time on top...


Chris
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Well, I need a Gear Vendor unit. cuz my average speed is 2500rpm ;-)
 
I think we are only beginning to scratch the surface of the CR and how much power they will make. With the advent of EFI Live and stand alone computers you are going to see allot of advancements. Most of the problems we are having now is because we don't know what we are running for timing, we just turn the knob till we melt it down and have no idea where we are at. There are still going to be allot of melted pistons when we start tuning them ourselves until we learn those limits because to make the power you have to find the limit.
As far as the pullers go they have to have the RPM's to stay on top of the charger and until we have RPM's available to us the P pumps will dominate. But I think you are going to see some big things out of the CR in the next few years.
 
RonA said:
If you have to do at least 1 (common rail)motor replacement per season, how will that effect people?
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I'm right there with you man. IF, the common rail killing trend continues. Seems the potential is there, it just needs some major refinement or constraint in some areas.
 
yeah they are so sick, not to mention how a F1 engine sounds. sounds like a Ferrari on steroids. talking about sick engines and what can be done, the Audi TDI diesel engine in the R10 and R15. ther eis hope for the CR, its just a matter of time. Rome was not built in one day!
 
One reason nascar dosent use efi is to keep hp down.... but that is really starting to get away from the origional discussion.. I am sure, and you can put me on record for this,, once we have gotten where we are not doing any more r&d with the cr and we are happy with where we are at, the carnage will drop off too
 
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