How Much Hp Can I Make

What Do They Different With There Tranny.and Hpop Should Be Alright To Feed 275cc And 340cc Injectors Wont Have A Oil Problem. Maybe Next Year We Can Get 6.0l Finish First Dpc. Can Believe Dodge And Chevy Are Being Able To Take It 6.0l Run Good With Right Mod. I Think Were Getting Close 6.0l Are Getting Stronger
 
AMARILLO 6.0 said:
What Do They Different With There Tranny.and Hpop Should Be Alright To Feed 275cc And 340cc Injectors Wont Have A Oil Problem. Maybe Next Year We Can Get 6.0l Finish First Dpc. Can Believe Dodge And Chevy Are Being Able To Take It 6.0l Run Good With Right Mod. I Think Were Getting Close 6.0l Are Getting Stronger
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Hypermax's 340 cc injectors use about the same HPO as a set of 250's. Nobody else builds a set like that.

As long as Kennedy and Tadd are good friends, I only see Elite trucks getting invited to DPC and not showing up for the next couple of years.
 
If they are good competitve trucks why not show up? I was there with Chris Werner and I was dissapointed by the Ford showing. Especially when one had a common rail cummins in it.
 
Abrannan19 said:
so you are paying for 340's but in reality getting 250's..:what:
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The intensifier piston in the 6.0 injectors is a 7.1 to 1 ratio. So to fire 250cc of fuel the injector needs about 1775cc of oil per firing (250 X 7.1). So if you change the whole middle section of the injectors and custom make the intensifier setup to a 5 to 1 ratio then 340 cc injectors need 1700 cc of oil.
 
Jeremy, that would imply that the 340's "shoot" the fuel at a lower pressure (1700cc and 1775cc are about the same, but 340 and 250 are a lot different). If that is the case, would the lover pressure 340 atomize to a lesser degree? Just thinking out loud.....
 
ralphinnj said:
Jeremy, that would imply that the 340's "shoot" the fuel at a lower pressure (1700cc and 1775cc are about the same, but 340 and 250 are a lot different). If that is the case, would the lover pressure 340 atomize to a lesser degree? Just thinking out loud.....
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Yes, Disadvatage of these injectors......injection pressure. Let's say, HPO is 4000 psi then the stocker deliver a 28,400 psi shot of fuel into the cyclinders (4000 X 7.1). These shoot a 20,000 psi shot, (4000 X 5). So yes, not as good atomization. This is why FICM tunning is very important to get the pulse width better controlled to get the fuel out of the injectors.

I do have to say Ralph I LOVER my lower injection pressure.:poke:

But until there is a better HPO pump out I don't see any other way to get big fuel out of the 6.0. They make good power, look at Redneck.
 
seems like 250's and ficm tuning or even no ficm tuning would be a better combination.. then '340s'

I just don't see the point of a 340 injection that's not flowing as much as 250.

sounds like a case of 'little man syndrome'
 
I am guessing nozzle design plays a HUGE role also. For example, a 250cc injector with a 7.1 intensifier ratio with a single opening nozzle will have crap flow compared to the same injector with a 6 or 8 hole nozzle. I never looked at the nozzles; is the stock on a 6-hole?

The 340's even at low pressure could work great if they have the right nozzle.

Ralph
 
ralphinnj said:
I am guessing nozzle design plays a HUGE role also. For example, a 250cc injector with a 7.1 intensifier ratio with a single opening nozzle will have crap flow compared to the same injector with a 6 or 8 hole nozzle. I never looked at the nozzles; is the stock on a 6-hole?

The 340's even at low pressure could work great if they have the right nozzle.

Ralph
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The other thing is the bowl work of the pistons to keep all the extra fuel in.
 
Abrannan19 said:
seems like 250's and ficm tuning or even no ficm tuning would be a better combination.. then '340s'

I just don't see the point of a 340 injection that's not flowing as much as 250.

sounds like a case of 'little man syndrome'
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They put 340 cc of fuel into the cylinders, 250's will only put 250cc.. Why don't you think 340's would be better?

If the HPOP was large enough to run 340 non-hybrids then that would be even better, but it is not.

Yes, they don't atomize the fuel quite as well, so efficiency will be done some. But, if you are spraying NOS atomization is alot less important. Or if you have very high engine temps, like truck pulling with egt's over 1600 I would think all the fuel will burn. At least I think it should. I don't know for sure, but I do seem to have alot more fuel than last year. My boost has gone up around 30 psi.
 
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from what i understand, I want to say a 225 (i think) maxes out the hpop. Maxing meaning injecting all the fuel out and any bigger injector wont put all that fuel in the injector. Correct me if i am wrong, This is just what i over heard from a 6.0 guru
 
4x4freak said:
from what i understand, I want to say a 225 (i think) maxes out the hpop. Maxing meaning injecting all the fuel out and any bigger injector wont put all that fuel in the injector. Correct me if i am wrong, This is just what i over heard from a 6.0 guru
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To the best of my knowledge there are three different HPO pumps used in the 6.0 and the flow rates of all of them are a little different. Now if anyone can find the exact flow rates of these pumps it would be pretty easy to figure how big of injectors you can go. I think most trucks can maintain HPO with 250cc and a few can maintain it up to 275's maybe even bigger. But I don't know for 100%, just my thoughts.
 
Tyler On Your Truck What Are The Four Gauges That You Have Setup Are They The Same Setup As Redneck.and What Are They, Want To Add More Gauges
 
Im lookin to build my 6.0 well actually i am its a BTS right now! I am wanting to run 225's with a single charger. I want some street ability but i want it for pulling! What do i do? And dont mean to hijack this thread but i have been told alot of dif things and this thread just adding to it. I was wanting to run casserly's injectors. what turbo should i run???
 
You want 225's and streetable you need to be thinking twins. I run 190's from Cass, and a Beans turbo, and it still gets pretty hot.
 
ive been told that 225's with a II 62/80 will be a good set up. might have to add an intercooler but the temps(EGT's) should be ok
 
lubeowner said:
Hypermax's 340 cc injectors use about the same HPO as a set of 250's. Nobody else builds a set like that.

As long as Kennedy and Tadd are good friends, I only see Elite trucks getting invited to DPC and not showing up for the next couple of years.
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LMAO we have a winner. I remember a guy going to DPC and stoping at elite when I worked their, turbo wouldnt spool. The only thing they accomplished is burning up his TQ conveter. I did like seeing their 35 second (no typo) run at truck fest...same problem.
 
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