looking for a 24v p-pump runner intake

nick2001

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Im in the process of getting my head together for next season. Before polishing and porting, Id like to have an intake setup. Im looking for a runner intake for my p-pumped 24v. I like aluminum one from the big name diesel shop, but not the price. I know that there must be other options out there. Any help would be great.
 
make one is an option, but then Id be intrested in mounting holes and depths.
 
make one is an option, but then Id be intrested in mounting holes and depths.

If you do your own, find a junk head to practice on. That is about the only way to do it and not have to pay a shop to do it for you. When you pay a big shop for it, you are not only paying for the material and time involved in assembling the intake, but also the R&D that went into that piece. A lot of people forget about that part. $.02
 
Keating has a nice billet intake plate with the bolt holes already in it, just weld on your runners/plenium. and go.

Course I dont know if he has a 24v version yet.
 
if you don't divide the runner from the valve seat to the plenum then you not really getting any advantage , and possibly some disadvantage to this type of intake .
With one round runner, you have two different cylinders with different pulses feeding off one runner. The resonance tuning effect will not work, and in fact become a restriction.
There are true individual runner intakes for the 24 valve, but they are not out to the public yet.
This is part of the R&D process, shops build, and refine over the course of hundreds of manifolds that they build to produce the best possible product. The problems that they find , in every area are ones that most will experience when they try to build their own, and in the long run would have been happier if they had invested in a proven part.
The mounting holes are critical that they do not get in to water, oil of push rods and still hold seal.

The advantages of a runner intake manifold over a plenum manifold are considerable. The advantages are only for the people on the ragged edge and looking for every hp, in a restrictive class. There is still a higher percentage gain to be had with a good plenum intake , over a stock head.
I know that Greg at ZZ has refined his manifolds over the years , and he is doing runner manifolds for some big pulling shops , but these are full on competition manifolds , and the R&D is expensive .
The gains from a good head program, and side draft manifold is huge , I would use it
 
if you don't divide the runner from the valve seat to the plenum then you not really getting any advantage , and possibly some disadvantage to this type of intake .
With one round runner, you have two different cylinders with different pulses feeding off one runner. The resonance tuning effect will not work, and in fact become a restriction.
There are true individual runner intakes for the 24 valve, but they are not out to the public yet.
This is part of the R&D process, shops build, and refine over the course of hundreds of manifolds that they build to produce the best possible product. The problems that they find , in every area are ones that most will experience when they try to build their own, and in the long run would have been happier if they had invested in a proven part.
The mounting holes are critical that they do not get in to water, oil of push rods and still hold seal.

The advantages of a runner intake manifold over a plenum manifold are considerable. The advantages are only for the people on the ragged edge and looking for every hp, in a restrictive class. There is still a higher percentage gain to be had with a good plenum intake , over a stock head.
I know that Greg at ZZ has refined his manifolds over the years , and he is doing runner manifolds for some big pulling shops , but these are full on competition manifolds , and the R&D is expensive .
The gains from a good head program, and side draft manifold is huge , I would use it

Very true good explenation

Dale
 
So there are runner intakes out there that divide each cylinder? Even the 2 thru 5 cylinders? How do you manage that when the head casting flows in to one port? Are they diviving that port somehow before fabbing the runners up and away? The whole goal is to seperate the pulse from the main plenum in the runner, Right? And if that is the case, I would need to divide the 2-5 ports and tie both ports per cylinder together? Does tapper rule still apply? Cause I picturing some kind of divided box/hump dividing cylinders on the head and a flange after that.:badidea: The "better option is" to split all sieamese ports on the head, then have a flange, and finally have runners (12 that would tie to 6) and in to a main plenum. That make any sense?
 
Heres a question. Is a individual runner even helping flow and velocity. When the air enters into the main runner it has to make a 90* angle down into each individual runner. I believe this is correct when air has to make a 90* turn like that it hurts flow 30%. Has anyone figured that out with all this R&D and cylinder head programs.
 
Who says it needs to be a 90? what if it was more of a ovaled port on the main and arched into a 70? That would keep the runners open at the top. You could eaisly make a slight curve on a pipe bender and tig a section in with tapper below. Doese anyone have input as to how to acomplish this seamless on the inside? I can tig the outside, but there may be a slight mismatch inside, and a seam down the runner where i put in the tapper.
 
Didnt say it had to be a 90* all the runner manifolds posted and i have seen have a 90* angle.
 
Air will follow the path of least restriction. Regardless of boost, this still applies.

In a NA engine, air is drawn into the engine by two means atmospheric pressure and vacuum. On a forced induction engine it is pushed or forced in. The molecules relation to inertia can be enhanced with the correct cam timing and runner size. The dynamics of both still apply to restrictions. An abrupt transition in a port or intake runner, is like a dam in a river. Some of the IR manifolds I have seen, have a 70 degree transition right where the manifold meets the head. I know they look impressive, I doubt they create any extra power though.

I personally believe refinement takes place over hundreds of parts being made, R&D takes place before the first part is ever sold. After all that is what RESEARCH and DEVELOPMENT is. Unless R&D stands for revision and dollars.
 
I personally believe refinement takes place over hundreds of parts being made, R&D takes place before the first part is ever sold. After all that is what RESEARCH and DEVELOPMENT is. Unless R&D stands for revision and dollars.

I would agree, however none of that takes place without demand. It appears that the demand is not there on this application. Im not looking to make the "best IR intake on the market". This all started because I wanted to port and polish a head. Next thing you know the head is milled and Im looking for an intake. Im not much of a fan on the ZZ Intake (Im not saying it isnt a well made product). I dont know about clearance with the p-pump and to me it seems real close to what I just milled off. If I thought that was the answer Id just weld a big box on the side of my head. Im just looking to make an improvement to my truck same as the next guy not engineer products for sale.

All that being said I have a 3.0 truck with a milled 24 valve head and need to hook it up to my Air/water cooler. (it is a puller only). I am a die maker by trade and have lots of access to CNC and other cool machine tools. Just looking for some input for an inexpensive buy. Thanks for all the previous input and any input in advance
 
I personally believe refinement takes place over hundreds of parts being made, R&D takes place before the first part is ever sold. After all that is what RESEARCH and DEVELOPMENT is. Unless R&D stands for revision and dollars.

I would agree, however none of that takes place without demand. It appears that the demand is not there on this application. Im not looking to make the "best IR intake on the market". This all started because I wanted to port and polish a head. Next thing you know the head is milled and Im looking for an intake. Im not much of a fan on the ZZ Intake (Im not saying it isnt a well made product). I dont know about clearance with the p-pump and to me it seems real close to what I just milled off. If I thought that was the answer Id just weld a big box on the side of my head. Im just looking to make an improvement to my truck same as the next guy not engineer products for sale.

All that being said I have a 3.0 truck with a milled 24 valve head and need to hook it up to my Air/water cooler. (it is a puller only). I am a die maker by trade and have lots of access to CNC and other cool machine tools. Just looking for some input for an inexpensive buy. Thanks for all the previous input and any input in advance

I posted on this thread, to express my intent to start producing plenums, IR manifolds and such. I just bought a new CNC machine and will be taking delivery in a few weeks.

I worked for many years porting heads and intake manifolds. I never before had the ability, or capability I guess you would say to make something like I wanted, well looks like the time is nearing.

I think we can make an effective product, that is very affordable.
 
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