VE Hot Rod pump

sdubfid said:
Giles actually takes everything apart and machines things for more advance etc etc.
You can find him on 1stgen.org or vwdiesel.net
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Giles can go as far as tripling the dynamic timing range, something like 15 degrees worth (that means if you have 12 deg at idle you get 27 degrees at max RPM)

KTA on 1stgen.org knows all about the 14mm setup
 
kta is brian block

already mentioned

has it been mentioned that for the money you guys are spending on these trucks one could easily buy a complete 2nd gen motor...

and get 800+ hp outta it for almost nothin

???

has that been mentioned before?
 
DTanklage said:
kta is brian block

already mentioned

has it been mentioned that for the money you guys are spending on these trucks one could easily buy a complete 2nd gen motor...

and get 800+ hp outta it for almost nothin

???

has that been mentioned before?
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Has it been mentioned that 1st gen guys are extremely tightfisted? They would rather part with flesh than money.
 
There's tons of high horsepower P-pumps out there, VE pumps have the exotic appeal...
 
ve is a great pump to get someone addicted to diesel

i just dont see any reason to keep throwing money at something that will never really do anything

you can get more power for less money with a p-pump so it dont make any sense

esp if they are tight wads

its backwards
 
Begle1 said:
There's tons of high horsepower P-pumps out there, VE pumps have the exotic appeal...
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My thoughts exactly, for some its the P pumps, others VPs and others the VEs. Looks like there is some life left in the VEs. Sounds interesting what can be done with these.
 
well for me its about the power

and for something that is on the road reliability pretty important too

i know ve makes torque, and thats great

but you can take a $400 180 pump and build a ten second truck with it

10 second street trucks are kinda exotic
 
DTanklage said:
ve is a great pump to get someone addicted to diesel

i just dont see any reason to keep throwing money at something that will never really do anything

you can get more power for less money with a p-pump so it dont make any sense

esp if they are tight wads

its backwards
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Not everyone buys a truck to make 800rwhp with.

You can but a 1st Gen cheaper than a 2nd gen (in most cases) and use the extra cash for basic mods.

In a performance truck, the P7100 is the obvious choice, but for a hauler or a daily driver, a VE will do whatever a P7100 will do.

Explain what you mean by "throwing money at something that will never really do anything." My 1st gen drives, that's something. :shake:
 
'91.5 Cummins said:
You can but a 1st Gen cheaper than a 2nd gen (in most cases) and use the extra cash for basic mods.

Explain what you mean by "throwing money at something that will never really do anything." My 1st gen drives, that's something. :shake:
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you know...you are right. i take it all back

unsubscribing
 
DTanklage said:
you know...you are right. i take it all back

unsubscribing
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I took what you said with a daily driver in mind, however, we are talking about a "Hotrod VE" so this obviously won't be a daily driver.

Sorry if I came across like a jackass, but I can't help but laugh at people who still think a 1st Gen can't make more than 400rwhp (I'm not talking about you, mostly people on CumminsForum).

For a performance truck, you cannot beat the P-Pump, but one fun thing is trying to beat the competition with something that people don't think could ever do it. You've seen Ford's pull right. :hehe:

Seeker, I want to see your pump in action, sounds promising.

Again Don, I apologize, I took your post the wrong way.
 
Surely the VE doesnt have quite the potential or reputation the p7100 does, but its no wimp neither!

Theirs a pretty stout first gen ripping around here that i wouldnt mind having.

Only thing that i dont like about them is the runaways... Especially when any old goon gets in there tinkering with it. kindof sketches me out that way, but i guess a good ol' air shutoff will solve that issue!
 
I took what you said with a daily driver in mind, however, we are talking about a "Hotrod VE" so this obviously won't be a daily driver.
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Actually that is exactly what this would be, which is why I am questioning reliability, longevity, etc.

Sorry if I came across like a jackass, but I can't help but laugh at people who still think a 1st Gen can't make more than 400rwhp
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So whats the record, 600? Not being a smartazz I just have no idea, but I find it funny that they claim that ebay pump is good for 700-800hp, which I don't think has ever been done on a VE.

i just dont see any reason to keep throwing money at something that will never really do anything
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I have seen several VE's in the 12's, could be some in the 11's. That is definatly something. I know a P-Pump is better, but that is still respectable
 
VE's have better governor control, they start better than anything else on the planet, their dynamic timing lets them run cleaner with better driveability, and there's only one pumping plunger that can be replaced in a Jack-in-the-Box parking lot with basic hand tools and a couple hours.

And as long as you have one, you are always the underdog.
 
DTanklage said:
kta is brian block

already mentioned

has it been mentioned that for the money you guys are spending on these trucks one could easily buy a complete 2nd gen motor...

and get 800+ hp outta it for almost nothin

???

has that been mentioned before?
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800hp? How much is almost nothin?

Is that west coast 800 horse?:rolleyes: Not doubting the p-pump is king, but when I run my lowly 500hp dyno runs on Dunbars dyno, the majority of these cheap p-pump trucks are no where near 800hp.. ? More like in the 350hp-450hp range.:rolleyes: If it was so easy and cheap, what's the deal? Then the top p-pump numbers are in the 600hp range.. give or take.

Yes I know the big hp guys aren't running on the dyno, they're on the track. But this jokers over here running his mouth, throwing out 800hp claims etc...:hehe::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Limited said:
Actually that is exactly what this would be, which is why I am questioning reliability, longevity, etc.



So whats the record, 600? Not being a smartazz I just have no idea, but I find it funny that they claim that ebay pump is good for 700-800hp, which I don't think has ever been done on a VE.



I have seen several VE's in the 12's, could be some in the 11's. That is definatly something. I know a P-Pump is better, but that is still respectable
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I've been told the 14mm H/R requires a lot of fuel to keep cool, so it isn't a very good idea in a daily driver, because at cruising speeds, it won't be getting the fuel it needs.

The record on a VE truck (fuel only) is 627rwhp, from Brian Block. I believe he made a 650ish rwhp run, but didn't count it because it wasn't on Dunbar's dyno. I believe STOMP made 680's rwhp with W/M. I think it is very possible for 700rwhp on a VE, but someone has to be willing to spend the money.
 
thougths

Now dont get me wrong - I know there are some serious trucks out there, more than a few, but it takes cubic dollars to get there

from reading on more than a few forums - the reality is there are "NOT" that many 600 hp trucks out there - period - however there are lots of talkers with nothing to back it up.

Now 500+ hp reliable trucks - they are like bellybuttons these days with the programmer crowd and reasonably reliable

Of the many 600+ hp trucks out there that I read about, they tend to be cantankerous and very unreliable or shortlived if you will

So my question is name your poison VE, VP44, Common rail, etc - if your makin a daily, everyday reliable 5-600hp on #2 only your doin something - and havin fun on the cheap - and who cares what pump you used to get there

Personally I like the VE because overall it is cheap to build, and tune and the upper end of the hp wars isnt anywhere near over yet.

If I can convince the VE pump builders to increase case flow, by increasing imput pressure then relieving case pressure back down to 100 psi by opening up the return orrifice, I think the heat/relaibility issue will dissappear.
If i knew more about the pump itself I would experiment on my own

So far, 250-300+ cc's of fuel and 4600 rpm is no slouch by any standards I know of currently for a street truck - meaning that much fuel can and has made 6-700 hp

time will tell

now the guy sellin a $1900 Ve makin 7-800hp with no paperwork to prove it - he is whistlin without a tune
 
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