SMARTY DEFUELING ON 07''s ISSUE.

JasonCzerak said:
I'm all for 50-60hp but that's WOT power.

I'm looking for better drive ability. If I can make a custom tune that can get a 71mm charger spinning with out a puff, ohhh wow, the need to spend $1000's on twins is negated, lets drop a little more into fuel instead and spend some cash on the dyno working it in.

All my programs that I would write/modify would be released for others to work on, and I would expect the opposite. None of the secrecy crap. open things up so the entire CR population can collectively collaborate and we'll get things tuned quickly and with minimal carnage.
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Retard the timing get some heat in the cylinder and you will spool the 71 sooner.
 
onetun said:
Retard the timing get some heat in the cylinder and you will spool the 71 sooner.
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Yes, understood. however the smarty programming does not do this currently to this degree.

Stock timing (or less) under 15psi, 45 degrees advanced WOT over 44psi for example isn't the case. There's no options in the smarty that suggests turbo size and a timing for it.


For example, when I had my little PS62 turbo. "huge injector" timing, drove awesome, fast spool. road driving it was awesome.. Get on the dyno, a load dyno.. 525hp..... switch to timing 2, 575hp. Once the turbo was lit it had a better curve and everything
 
BgBlDodge said:
50-60hp is quite a decent amount of power still on the table. Let's also not forget being able to possibly make a broader power curve or say crank up the RPM's to 4000+. Reliability could go up as well. Being able to make all cylinders burn more evenly could possibly reduce the risk of a melt down (this would could be attributed to tolerances in injectors and solenoids). You could make the truck burn cleaner and stronger, tow better, maybe get rid of the surging that some folks have a cruising speeds, be able to turn the pressure down on the injector while still making the same power which would save injectors from cracking, the possibility's are endless.

And my statement on the big dogs may have been a little broad. Everyone with a CR that uses their truck for multipurpose use could benefit from this. All the way from a guy with 400hp up to the guy with 1000hp.

Yes there will be blown engines and problems associated with this kind of software but it's to be expected. The dmax guys had to go through it. Maybe they could help give us newbies some baselines to start with that work for them (far fethched idea but you get the drift) that would help prevent us from blowing our engines up.

All I'm saying is that while the smarty is a great tool it is just a general tool. Think of it as a crescent wrench, not exactly the best tool for the job but it gets the job done. Crappy analogy but it's all I could come up with.
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I think you analogy is perfect and can't be any more correct.

Back in the "you gota be a baller" to get the TNT/R days, the fear from Bob/Marco was blown motors. I'm sure 50% of the folks lied about their valve springs and cam. Hell, I figured out that I needed springs BEFORE the TNT/R.

Does EFI Live give a rats ass about blown motors because of your own stupidity? have they been run out of business because of blown motors? NO!

Then holding back the TNT/R thing was retarded and unfounded.
 
I'll just say this and I'm finished trying to put a little insight into why people might like to be able to have a custom tune. How many balls out corvettes, camaros, trans ams, vipers, srt-10s, etc run just something like a hypertech or superchip?
 
big , I think I see what you are saying, so many variables... what we need is a smart tuner, one that you load up every imaginable upgrade or aftermarket change you have made, and it does the work by adjusting accordingly, giving us an option to pick fo m say 4 levels of aggressiveness. We tell it soup to nuts........... tire size, rear ratio, the specific turbo....... kind of like making an operating system for a computer, windows may be bloated but it can detect whats there and load a driver for it....... that is kinda what we need, no self detect, but it can load based on what we tell it, the more truthfull we are, the better the truck will run.
 
Mikmaze you're wrong...we do not want or need a tuner with preset variables...that would be like saying all 66mm turbos are created equal or that all torque converters are created equal or that different cams make no difference. What we need is a tuner that lets us blow the engine to he!! if so wished and tune every last parameter...even better than EFI-Live does...Period!
 
sorry, but not wrong, I mean specific turbo, like HTT 64 71 13......... I said specific for a reason. the same goes with every part in the build.
 
way off here, but wonderin how often folks do blow em up with efi set too far............
 
mikmaze said:
big , I think I see what you are saying, so many variables... what we need is a smart tuner, one that you load up every imaginable upgrade or aftermarket change you have made, and it does the work by adjusting accordingly, giving us an option to pick fo m say 4 levels of aggressiveness. We tell it soup to nuts........... tire size, rear ratio, the specific turbo....... kind of like making an operating system for a computer, windows may be bloated but it can detect whats there and load a driver for it....... that is kinda what we need, no self detect, but it can load based on what we tell it, the more truthfull we are, the better the truck will run.
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But see your still running with an average set of values. That's the whole point we are trying to make. These off the shelf programmers are setup from an average set of values. Why do you think it takes marco so long to come out with new software? Because he has to test it on a wide variety of trucks so he can dial in an average number on his programming that will work for all trucks. Your idea is the same thing just a little bit more specific.

Also, I'll guarantee you that no 2 sets of injectors or cp3's or trannies or cams or valve springs or heads or pistons or turbos are 100% identical. There are always going to be machining tolerances and manufacturing tolerances to take in to account. That's where the full custom tuning comes in. It allows you to take all of those in to account and adjust everything so that everything works as close to equal as possible.
 
mulisha said:
i dont see why it would be to different...you didnt try 9 at all..also if you had a water/meth kit you would of dynod more for sure..nothing harsh just a 80/20 mix..
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I thought about this again. I was not running any SW, I was running marcos tuning which was all modified. 7 or 9 would not matter
 
did ya take any notes lol, or ask a ton of questions...man i would have picked his brain for hours lol.
 
mulisha said:
did ya take any notes lol, or ask a ton of questions...man i would have picked his brain for hours lol.
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Listen, brainstormed. Marco encouraged input from everyone and explained the steps he was going through. Good sense of humor also.
 
TheBigNasty said:
I'll just say this and I'm finished trying to put a little insight into why people might like to be able to have a custom tune. How many balls out corvettes, camaros, trans ams, vipers, srt-10s, etc run just something like a hypertech or superchip?
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BINGO!
 
An other note my truck with out the smarty loaded put down 380hp. So with Marco's tuning he was able to get another 300hp, pretty impressive.
 
yeh that is impressive, i would of liked to have know egts, drive pressure, and what not..
 
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