Off-road (red) Fuel

woodsrat

woodsrat

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Now I have your attention. We have a customer (power plant) that are going to buy 4 new trucks. They are off road mine trucks. They are worried about running off road fuel. There has been talk of the dye messing up the injectors. Does any know for sure or run it. PM me if needed.
 
a buddy of mine is runnin it on his 6.7 with a edge box and mp8. has been for about 20,000 miles havent had any problems at all
 
The only difference between off-road and on-road is the dye. There is no other difference in the fuel quality or blend to my knowledge.
 
I believe that the Red (Off Road Fuel) doesn't have the same lubricity as the reg on road fuel. I know a local paving company that had several trucks with multiple injection issues from the red fuel. Add in some treatment to up the percentage of lubricity.
 
No Concerns

My Partner and I both own alot of late model construction equipment and we also had the same concerns with the new fuels and new engines. Our biggest concern was with our brand new $425,000 KOMATSU D-155Ax-6 Dozer. It has a Tier 3 engine. This is what all new heavy equipment made for the U.S.A. is suppose to have. We were assured buy both KOMASTU and or fuel supplier that we would be ok and in the past year and a half we have been. If the company is buying off road trucks made for AMERICAN sales they should be ok. If they are buying gray market machines (equipment made for use in other countries with lower polution standards) I am sure that they will be ok. These are sill designed as all tier 1 engines were and they will run on anything. We also have one of these and it is fine on the new off road fuels.

MAB
 
We have off road diesel delivered to our farm and the guy that works for them says its identical except for the red dye in it.
 
off diesel is stuff that didnt pass ULSF diesel 50ppm regulation... it is basicly low sulfur diesel
 
Yep, my sister was a industrial systems engineer for husky oil, exact same fuel, simply add dye....now its marked, I farm and run it in everything.

Edit.....asked her again.....at least from Husky oil, the dyed fuel actually has a bit higher cetane value, but does not meet the ultra low sulfur specs.....oops...memory's slipping
Still I run it in everything......
 
Hey Guys,I Run Heavy machines and Load and unload Big rigs all day long what i was told by one of the Drivers that ran out of Fuel was,The Red dye was so the Law could tell if they were running Off road or On road fuel Due to the Tax Difference between the two,Off road being cheaper.....

He,The driver would only take Enough of Our fuel to get him to a place to get On road he said if they stopped him and checked his fuel he would have trouble!

We have our own fuel tank at the Paper Mill i work at I think it's 20,000 gallons Off road fuel,we run the off road Red Dye fuel in everything with No Injector issues,Wheeloader Bull Dozers,Bobcats,Street sweeper,backhoes,Two log Handlers a Scan-Log and L-90,with 350 and 400 Hp Big cam Cummins in them.....No issues at all.... I believe the truck driver was right that the Red Dye is just to make sure the Drivers are Paying the correct taxs on the Fuel... Later Two-Up
 
There is a problem with "most" of the red fuel out there. Its not the fuel, its the rusty old tank that most of it gets put into before it gets to your injectors.........
 
malibu795 said:
off diesel is stuff that didnt pass ULSF diesel 50ppm regulation... it is basicly low sulfur diesel
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Wrong....Ever since they switch to ULSD with 15ppm wether its red diesel or green #2 ITS ALL THE SAME!!!! The only thing that is different is just red dye for tax purposes thats it! They have the same lubrication, same PPM, same everything. :bang
 
CumminsDriver said:
Wrong....Ever since they switch to ULSD with 15ppm wether its red diesel or green #2 ITS ALL THE SAME!!!! The only thing that is different is just red dye for tax purposes thats it! They have the same LACK OF lubrication, same PPM, same everything. :bang
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There, i corrected that for ya. Tim
 
Your right there ILL RAM. I run lucas and couple other things about once a month to help with it.
 
CumminsDriver said:
Wrong....Ever since they switch to ULSD with 15ppm wether its red diesel or green #2 ITS ALL THE SAME!!!! The only thing that is different is just red dye for tax purposes thats it! They have the same lubrication, same PPM, same everything. :bang
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Wrong...

you can still get regular <500ppm LSD... I buy it as often as possible
 
All off road fuel is is dyed because of road tax. Why do u think its cheaper? Why do you think state cops have been busting people for year running it even before emissions? Its the exact same thing, just taxed.
 
GSM-01 said:
All off road fuel is is dyed because of road tax. Why do u think its cheaper? Why do you think state cops have been busting people for year running it even before emissions? Its the exact same thing, just taxed.
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That is why diesel is marked, for easy identification and taxation, BUT they in all instances are NOT the same.

Up here at least, (should be the same south of the boarder, cause the lion share of it goes down there),
the dyed diesel DOES NOT make the ultra low specs. Even the cetane is a little higher for the dyed diesel.

However, we run tons of the dyed diesel in everything, no problems.
 
Good thread!
I've been too chicken to run red fuel in our 08. Better safe than sorry I guess.
 
Joesixpack said:
That is why diesel is marked, for easy identification and taxation, BUT they in all instances are NOT the same.

Up here at least, (should be the same south of the boarder, cause the lion share of it goes down there),
the dyed diesel DOES NOT make the ultra low specs. Even the cetane is a little higher for the dyed diesel.

However, we run tons of the dyed diesel in everything, no problems.
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Well I guess I should have been specific. The low sulfer can still be bought but you should have to ask for it and give reason as to why it is needed. However, the examples are a pain cause most can still run on ultra low. Ultra low is supposed to be dispensed to all throughout the United States. EPA strict guide lines show that ultra low can be run in anything, thus meaning whatever example you use, it doesn't matter, you can still run ultra low. Low sulfer doesn't mean its dyed though. Any general fill station shoudl have ultra low and mainly only ultra low. Even delievered is ultra low unless specified. The red dye, here in the states, is for taxation purposes only. You can get low or ultra low. Either one will be dyed to show you have not paid road tax for it. Another reason why there is only a certain amount of miles away from a farm you can run a farm truck, the fuel you are using it not taxed for road use. The dye is only for that, not for specifying whether it is low or ultra low.
 
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