Off-road (red) Fuel

All diesel fuel is the same. They do not make different kinds. When they pump the stuff up the piplines to the bulk plants like the one down the road from me, it all goes into the same tanks. What makes fuels different are the companies exact mixture that they want which is the cetane additive, cleaners and anti-gel. My buddy drves for Mcdanial transport hauling diesel and he says it it all the same until they get to the actual station were they add the mix while filling the underground tanks. As far as off road, it is just a dye for identification that you didnt pay road use tax.
 
CumminsDriver said:
Where do you buy 500PPM? Exxon, Texaco, Shell, Valero, Cheveron all sell 15ppm by law.
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Cheveron all sell 15ppm by CHOICE unless you're talking about California...

refineries will continue to be allowed to produce <500ppm untill 2010

I got into this same argument with a buddy of mine that worked for Shell (God rest his soul) and I provided him with a picture of a Shell station down here that still sells low sulphur...

if you are unfortunate enough to live in an area where there is not enough diesel business to support the old low sulphur, I feel sorry for you, but it IS still available, and most companies buying dyed fuel won't pay the premium for ULSD offroad fuel because (unless you're in California) their non-highway equipment doesn't require ULSD!

I'm a little NYE tipsy, but I've bought LSD at Texaco, Valero, and Shell within the last month... I'd like to say Cheveron, but it sounds French, so I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to nut-hug California on that front
 
ILLINOISRAM said:
All diesel fuel is the same. They do not make different kinds. When they pump the stuff up the piplines to the bulk plants like the one down the road from me, it all goes into the same tanks. What makes fuels different are the companies exact mixture that they want which is the cetane additive, cleaners and anti-gel. My buddy drves for Mcdanial transport hauling diesel and he says it it all the same until they get to the actual station were they add the mix while filling the underground tanks. As far as off road, it is just a dye for identification that you didnt pay road use tax.
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the DO make different kinds...

it might not make it all the way to IL, but in TX with refineries all over the place, you can still get non-ULSD at the pumps, and I promise you pretty much ALL of the red fuel down this way is non-ULSD...

probably most of the red fuel you get up there is non-ULSD
 
Forrest Nearing said:
the DO make different kinds...

it might not make it all the way to IL, but in TX with refineries all over the place, you can still get non-ULSD at the pumps, and I promise you pretty much ALL of the red fuel down this way is non-ULSD...

probably most of the red fuel you get up there is non-ULSD
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How do you truly know what you are getting. I dont. It could be pisswater for all i know but i can only go off of what a guy that delivers diesel fuel for a living has to say about it and what could he possibly stand to gain by lying to me.. Unless you sample the fuel and have it tested, you dont know what you are getting either. You can drive by the bulk plant and will see every brand name truck waiting in line to get fuel. Tell me that refineries actually custom make blends for all the different brands, I doubt it because it would cut into their profits and we all know that dont happen.
 
ILLINOISRAM said:
How do you truly know what you are getting. I dont. It could be pisswater for all i know but i can only go off of what a guy that delivers diesel fuel for a living has to say about it and what could he possibly stand to gain by lying to me.. Unless you sample the fuel and have it tested, you dont know what you are getting either. You can drive by the bulk plant and will see every brand name truck waiting in line to get fuel. Tell me that refineries actually custom make blends for all the different brands, I doubt it because it would cut into their profits and we all know that dont happen.
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they are required, by law, to have correct product information tags on the pumps...

you trust the TRUCK DRIVER to know about the inner workings of the REFINERY!?!?!? LOL

how many salesmen or even dealer TECHNICIANS know far less about these trucks that we drive and talk about all the time than WE do?!?!

here's the text copy of the email that I got from Valero when I was arguing with my buddy:

Mr. Nearing,

Victoria locations are being supplied through an exchange agreement with CITGO who supplies and owns the Victoria Terminal. CITGO Corpus does not make ULSD only LSD. The labels are correct.

Valero Corpus Christi supplies ULSD at the Placido terminal not far from Victoria.

Hope
this answers your question.

Thank You

Layne Holzhaus
Wholesale Marketing
Valero Energy Corporation
800-324-8464



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From: Forrest Nearing [mailto:fnearing@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 10:32 AM
To: Customer Relations
Subject: ULSD vs. LSD fuel



Hello,



I was hoping that you could settle an argument for me. I fill up at your Victoria, TX location quite often. It is very accessable, the truck pumps fuel up very quickly, there is a McDonald's on site, and the staff are always very nice and I am always in and out quickly. I LOVE IT!



Anyhow, the diesel pumps are labeled Low Sulphur Diesel, not suitable for 07 and newer trucks requiring ULSD fuel.



My friend argues that all diesel being produced today is ULSD and the pumps are simply mislabeled.



I contend that it is highly illegal to mislabel pumps and why on earth would Valero knowingly turn away every 07 and newer diesel owner?



Any light you could shed on this subject will be greatly appreciated.



kindest regards,



Forrest G. Nearing
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CumminsDriver said:
Where do you buy 500PPM? Exxon, Texaco, Shell, Valero, Cheveron all sell 15ppm by law.
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There is a station north of me next to my diesel shop which sells 500ppm, at least thats what the tag states.
 
why on earth would stations knowingly turn away everyone with an 07 or newer truck if they really had ULSD in the tank? :confused:

believe it or not, fuel stations and pumps ARE regulated and face fines if they're mislabeled
 
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