370 Marine Injectors

OrangeNV said:
i think everyone bashes ddp reboxed stuff.......ive seen their big injectors throw down good on the dyno
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Yes, I was speaking about DDP's "small" injectors, there "50hp-140hp". I havent heard much about there "big" injectors.

displacedtexan said:
How many people that bash DDP have run them?
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Your right, ive never run them (nor do I ever plan to) so I'll just keep my mouth shut and let people by injectors from whatever company has the best marketing department.
 
Smoken Gun said:
Just what I hear, I make no excuses about that and wasnt "calling you out" at all.

I listen to what people like Weston, Lee, Jamie, Craig, etc say and review the data they share. I take into account what I hear from people as to how they like their (various brands of) aftermarket injectors and how they perform in there specific set-up. Also how the builder they got the injectors froms customer service is.

I listen to both sides, some people like DDP- many dont, and take everything with a grain of salt.

Im not the only person who think there are better options for injectors than DDP...

DDP's work, no question, but are there better options...IMHO absolutely.

Im not trying to spark a big debate, just my worthless opinion (there run wild with that :) ).

Im just a parrot Brett.
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Call out or not, I would assume that you have actual experience with products that your recommending, and not that your experience with the product is reading about it on the internet. If you would have come on here saying why one product is better or worse than the other, and a few facts that prove why it is better/worse, I could respect that. Like every other 12v injector thread on CompD it's turned into they're a "crappy", "overpriced", "re-boxed", "marine", "wrong spray angle" injector that aren't as good as others because I say so.

Over the years I haven't seen much in 12v injector comparisons, a lot of he said/she said, yes, SOP testing, yes, but actual hard data, no. There have been quite a few people that change injectors and have good or bad results, but a lot of those that have swapped have also completely changed their setup at the same time as well...so who knows whether it was the injectors, dv's, timing, turbo(s), that caused the negative or positive results.

You should be able to do a search for old post's of mine for DDP3's and DDP4's against a "better" injector, as well as some other dyno/track/driveability results

displacedtexan said:
How many people that bash DDP have run them?
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Thank you, I thought I was the only person wondering that.:Cheer: I also wonder why people will send their "crappy" injectors out to be modified, I mean a polished turd is still a turd, right? Why not sell them, add the money they would've spent to modify them and just buy a "better" set.

Smoken Gun said:
Yes, I was speaking about DDP's "small" injectors, there "50hp-140hp". I havent heard much about there "big" injectors.
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Their "small" injectors will put out more than enough fuel for 90% of the people out there, I personally don't see a need to have anything larger than my DDP4's...for now at least.
 
BrettWINspeed said:
Thank you, I thought I was the only person wondering that.:Cheer: I also wonder why people will send their "crappy" injectors out to be modified, I mean a polished turd is still a turd, right? Why not sell them, add the money they would've spent to modify them and just buy a "better" set.

I think the knowlegeable injector builder can correct the inherent flaws of marine injectors, so rebuilding them to work properly seems like a better solution than just passing crap along to the next guy
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these 12v injector debates are getting about as bad as what tuner is better......
 
BrettWINspeed said:
Over the years I haven't seen much in 12v injector comparisons, a lot of he said/she said, yes, SOP testing, yes, but actual hard data, no. There have been quite a few people that change injectors and have good or bad results, but a lot of those that have swapped have also completely changed their setup at the same time as well...so who knows whether it was the injectors, dv's, timing, turbo(s), that caused the negative or positive results.

You should be able to do a search for old post's of mine for DDP3's and DDP4's against a "better" injector, as well as some other dyno/track/driveability results

Every time one of these threads shows up I think of that thread, and the fact that you have gone farther on these injectors that are barely suitable for paperweights than most that bash them...

Thank you, I thought I was the only person wondering that.:Cheer: I also wonder why people will send their "crappy" injectors out to be modified, I mean a polished turd is still a turd, right? Why not sell them, add the money they would've spent to modify them and just buy a "better" set.

I've got a set of those polished turds as well. (PDR 370s with altered pop pressures) they work well in my setup, for my needs. Low smoke, run smooth.
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OrangeNV said:
these 12v injector debates are getting about as bad as what tuner is better......
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Maybe because there are lots of vendors that produce lots of different injectors that work well for lots of different people?

I've seen to many people act like their chosen vendor is the only one capable of building a decent 12v injector. That is simply NOT true.

It's one thing to recommend a product that you have had success with, or even that many others have success with. It is an entirely different thing to bash a product that many have had success with, and you have never dealt with... (Not speaking to you anymore bud, just in general)

I know people that have multiple trucks that are faster than most on here will ever be, and won't use anything but DDP.
 
but my injectors are better, just because

what i do know is 5x.012's @ 145 degrees are better than 5x.012's @ 155 degrees

what else i know is there are certain people who can make marine injectors run well

what else makes are breaks a set of injectors is how evenly the pop pressures are set
 
OrangeNV said:
what i do know is 5x.012's @ 145 degrees are better than 5x.012's @ 155 degrees
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Not necessarily.

Although I have disagreed with Brett in the past, his point is valid. Marine injectors for the large portion are not ideal, but many times they do work rather well. And in certain instances I have seen them work very well, and for a reason beyond me a tighter cone angle did not show improvement.
 
Charger said:
I think the knowlegeable injector builder can correct the inherent flaws of marine injectors, so rebuilding them to work properly seems like a better solution than just passing crap along to the next guy
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I've done numerous sets, clean and lap the needles, reset OP to 280-290BAR. They can work well, but my concern will always be with the cone angle.
 
Smokem said:
Marine injectors for the large portion are not ideal, but many times they do work rather well.
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I agree 100%

(Not trying to butcher your statement Wes, but I just wanted to address that part. The few times I have seen it done and posted, results aren't always what would be expected. Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't. For machines, engines can be unique individuals sometimes it seems...)
 
displacedtexan said:
It's one thing to recommend a product that you have had success with, or even that many others have success with. It is an entirely different thing to bash a product that many have had success with, and you have never dealt with... (Not speaking to you anymore bud, just in general)
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I completely agree, the bashing has become a pet peeve of mine, it's caused me to get into dang near every 12v injector thread on here. Like stated, I can respect a bash if it has (a) valid point(s) with factual data to back it up, I want to know and see why it's not good. For someone to bash one injector and recommend another, but yet have no experience with either, I don't get it.

OrangeNV said:
what i do know is 5x.012's @ 145 degrees are better than 5x.012's @ 155 degrees
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Sarcasm? They just might be, but I know that a certain 5x.012 @ 155 degrees is better than a certain 5x.014 @ 145 degrees.

Smokem said:
Marine injectors for the large portion are not ideal, but many times they do work rather well. And in certain instances I have seen them work very well, and for a reason beyond me a tighter cone angle did not show improvement.
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Thank you Weston, we did disagree, but it was simply because I was trying to show that the wrong angle wasn't necessarily a bad thing.
 
Smokem said:
I've done numerous sets, clean and lap the needles, reset OP to 280-290BAR. They can work well, but my concern will always be with the cone angle.
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everybody overlooked that? CAN can work well - after a bunch of work.....not out of the box (which is the way 90% are running them because they are cheap)

OrangeNV said:
what else i know is there are certain people who can make marine injectors run well
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BrettWINspeed said:
Sarcasm? They just might be, but I know that a certain 5x.012 @ 155 degrees is better than a certain 5x.014 @ 145 degrees.
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by certain you mean...?
was the .014 a typo? your saying and out of the box marine injectors will work better than a setup 5x.014 @ 145.....?..?..? or are you saying certain brand 5x.014

imo there is only one place to get injectors - if you want the best

ive bought injectors before that had the same nozzles on them as big injector builders use....but were not set with even pop pressures - they ran like poo - cheap is for a reason in the injector market

sent them out to have them all set even, and boom instantly better

i would explain my point further but i think alot gets lost in translation through a keyboard and people are free to take a sentence and turn it around into their own interpretation
 
Lets talk about Sac vs Micro Sac vs VCO vs Cylindrical blind hole vs Micro blind vs Impinged nozzles......:hehe:
 
OrangeNV said:
i never stated which injector builder that was?
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I know.

I know who it isn't though:D

I'm just saying that there isn't just one place. If you have a vendor that you are satisfied with, by all means, use and recommended them.

There are to many people making good power, and happy with their injectors from various makers to say that there is only one builder.
 
I've got a question or three:

Who builds the best transmission?

Who makes the best chip?

What's the best brand of oil to run in my truck?



I just want an injector that makes tons of power, produces no visible smoke, and increases fuel economy 95% over stock.

I personally enjoy good injector threads that reveal injection theory, current methods that try to achieve certain aspects of theory, and finally: back-to-back test results.

Carry on, at least the title of this thread isn't "Sat injectors......"
 
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