6.4 with 2yr production run.....?

Forrest Nearing said:
I hate it when people say it's unfair that ____________ (insert anything)

nobody held a gun to your head and told you not to buy the unfair thing!!!

you want factory twins? buy a Ford... you want aftermarket twins? buy them... you want nitrous? run it...

if you're too broke or too scared to compete, sit on the porch and STFU
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Very well put man exactly how I feel about it!!!
 
I don't have the money to spend, but I don't cry about it either...

I've seen this played out in the gasser world way too many times... the modular vs. LSx stuff is the same way... waah, you've got more cubes, waah, you've got a factory blower... waah, your car is lighter... waah wah wah... STFU, run what you brung, and try to brung enough! :mad:
 
Forrest Nearing said:
I don't have the money to spend, but I don't cry about it either...

I've seen this played out in the gasser world way too many times... the modular vs. LSx stuff is the same way... waah, you've got more cubes, waah, you've got a factory blower... waah, your car is lighter... waah wah wah... STFU, run what you brung, and try to brung enough! :mad:
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Im glad you brought up weight anyway, anything gained by the twin turbos, is lost in the extra wieght that fords carry around... just sayin

Its played out like that everywhere, and unless your the best of the best there is something always faster stronger bigger ect ect.
 
When y'all said weight being a factor i'm curious to see what the 6.4 engine engine weighs along with the frame. I can tell you that the cummins has all the diesels beat in weight since it's been in production. The cummins weighs 1178 lbs dry weight and dodges frame 03-present is fully boxed in from front to back and that is some weight. No C-channel rear section. Guess thats why most dodge frames don't bend or arch when the sled starts getn close to the truck. Any body know what the new motor weighs (6.4 powerstroke)
 
Silver6spd said:
When y'all said weight being a factor i'm curious to see what the 6.4 engine engine weighs along with the frame. I can tell you that the cummins has all the diesels beat in weight since it's been in production. The cummins weighs 1178 lbs dry weight and dodges frame 03-present is fully boxed in from front to back and that is some weight. No C-channel rear section. Guess thats why most dodge frames don't bend or arch when the sled starts getn close to the truck. Any body know what the new motor weighs (6.4 powerstroke)
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I've seen new dodge frames, and im not impressed, its thing material, I will take my c channel frame any day.

So if the cummins engine weighs more, and the dodge frame is so beffy, then why does a Ford with the same cab configuration wiegh several hundred pounds more?

The new 6.7 will have a distinct advantage because they can cut weight in the engine compartment and leave the strenght in the frame.
 
dzchey21 said:
I've seen new dodge frames, and im not impressed, its thing material, I will take my c channel frame any day.

So if the cummins engine weighs more, and the dodge frame is so beffy, then why does a Ford with the same cab configuration wiegh several hundred pounds more?

The new 6.7 will have a distinct advantage because they can cut weight in the engine compartment and leave the strenght in the frame.
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there is not way a C-channel frame is stronger than a fully boxed in frame...no way what so ever. It was even said that the big rig truck have a C-channel rear section to allow the truck to twist when hauling a trailer b/c shifting the gears with the load they carry would be tear the drive train out from under the truck if it was fully boxed in. They wanted the truck to flex under the condition it goes through. They said the boxed frame is too strong to have and the truck would eventually be fighting itself. I'll give you another idea to compare the two, go look at trailers and see the price difference in one with a C-channel frame and angle iron sides and then look at one with the boxed frame and tube sides. One will hold more weight and more than likely have 6 or 8 lug 7k lb axles under it...which one would that be...? Yep the fully boxed framed and tube sides. :poke:
 
The cab configuration has a lot to do with weight as well. The 4door dodge has no room in the back and the doors aren't full size now compare the ford crew cab and yes it has lots more room and doors are a lot bigger cab length is longer and yes that adds weight. Take a reg cab 6spd 4wd dodge and weigh againt reg cab 6spd 4wd ford and see how the weight comes out. Of course we can't compare the megacab weight since they are massive in size.
 
Silver6spd said:
The cab configuration has a lot to do with weight as well. The 4door dodge has no room in the back and the doors aren't full size now compare the ford crew cab and yes it has lots more room and doors are a lot bigger cab length is longer and yes that adds weight. Take a reg cab 6spd 4wd dodge and weigh againt reg cab 6spd 4wd ford and see how the weight comes out. Of course we can't compare the megacab weight since they are massive in size.
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the fords are much heavier. period. megacab dually 4x4 is the same weight as a cc/lb f350 4x4. 8300lbs from the factory.
 
Boy this thread has gone from 6.4's to 6.7's to weight comparison. Back the topic is there a competition 6.4 sled puller and if so what mods does he have?
 
Silver6spd said:
there is not way a C-channel frame is stronger than a fully boxed in frame...no way what so ever. It was even said that the big rig truck have a C-channel rear section to allow the truck to twist when hauling a trailer b/c shifting the gears with the load they carry would be tear the drive train out from under the truck if it was fully boxed in. They wanted the truck to flex under the condition it goes through. They said the boxed frame is too strong to have and the truck would eventually be fighting itself. I'll give you another idea to compare the two, go look at trailers and see the price difference in one with a C-channel frame and angle iron sides and then look at one with the boxed frame and tube sides. One will hold more weight and more than likely have 6 or 8 lug 7k lb axles under it...which one would that be...? Yep the fully boxed framed and tube sides. :poke:
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Depends on the material that its made out of, If its boxed sheet metal (which is close to a dodge frame) then it cant be stonger than a 1/4 thick frame.

Silver6spd said:
The cab configuration has a lot to do with weight as well. The 4door dodge has no room in the back and the doors aren't full size now compare the ford crew cab and yes it has lots more room and doors are a lot bigger cab length is longer and yes that adds weight. Take a reg cab 6spd 4wd dodge and weigh againt reg cab 6spd 4wd ford and see how the weight comes out. Of course we can't compare the megacab weight since they are massive in size.
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Ok
Silver6spd said:
Boy this thread has gone from 6.4's to 6.7's to weight comparison. Back the topic is there a competition 6.4 sled puller and if so what mods does he have?
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There is one or two but i dont think they are finished, i dont know yet though. It was supposed to be in the 2.8 class i belive, i will link it if i can find it.
 
So it's been converted to a big single style turbo? BTW what sizes are the factory turbos? In millimeters please...
 
Silver6spd said:
So it's been converted to a big single style turbo? BTW what sizes are the factory turbos? In millimeters please...
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As far as i know, I dont know of the spec on that truck though

Stockers are 65mm over 56 IIRC Elites go to a 71 over a 59 i belive I will check and make sure thats correct.

Im thinking im going to try a big single on my truck 42r is what i have in mind.
 
Silver6spd said:
Just curious how anybody would spend a ton of money on a truck that is not being produced anymore. What and where would you turn to if you threw a rod or cracked the block? My buddy is gung ho over this truck but I don't understand why is a big target since it's not in production. Not knocking the truck but how can anyone tell the reliability of the truck after such a short period on the road. I've seen a few at truck pulls and drag strips and that's about it. Anybody chime in, again I'm not bashing anything.
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It has a warranty, lol I'm going to beat the piss out of it until it's over and put a CR in it.
LOL
 
All this frame talk.. I don't hear of any of the trucks having issues with broken frames. IMO they are all diesels, it just comes down to what you prefer. If you want a truck with just a tune then the 6.4 looks good. If you want 800 hp then get a cummins. Most guys that buy these things don't haul anything but parts for their trucks. I tow 24k gcw and always have a 120 gallon of fuel in the back of mine for 145k now without problems with my sheet metal frame, if it works don't fix it.
 
Back to topic, the 6.7 does look promising. If I had a few extra dollars I wouldn't mind trying one out.
 
I'd love to see more 6.4 powerstrokes in the next diesel power challenge for 2010. Maybe they will know the duramax's down a bit but it's gonna be hard to be the tied and true medium duty 6cyl cummins. I'm not saying it couldn't be done but i'd like to see a good race for the top spot. So guys get your 6.4's beefed up and let's see what they can do...
 
Silver6spd said:
Just curious how anybody would spend a ton of money on a truck that is not being produced anymore. What and where would you turn to if you threw a rod or cracked the block? My buddy is gung ho over this truck but I don't understand why is a big target since it's not in production. Not knocking the truck but how can anyone tell the reliability of the truck after such a short period on the road. I've seen a few at truck pulls and drag strips and that's about it. Anybody chime in, again I'm not bashing anything.
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6.4 will be around for many years, the short production is only in the superduty, Navistar is using them in their commercial line, so parts will be readily available for years to come, blocks, rods etc.
I no guys that go to the International dealer to get hard parts like that all the time.
 
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