EFILive will read Dodges.

haha yea i guess you are right, duramax was never ahead with EFI live. u just cant beat a cummins with 40% less moving parts
 
mde said:
Even with EFI Live you faking the PW of the injectors. In my standalone, you don't have to fake arround ... you tell them what you want ... timing, PW, and fuel pressure vs throttle position ... thats it!
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I have scratch-written engine management software for diesels myself. And yes, as I wrote it you entered in values such as 2, 3, 4 or whatever ms of pw and when scoped on the truck to verify you got those exact values. Too simple? Apparently not for guys like you and me.
 
Best post on there:

if the cummins gets efilive its all over for the duramax's. they've got nothing left going for them. EFILive is THE ONLY reason the duramax's are currently as competitive as they are against the cummins.

if you guys think the dmax will still be able to hang with the cummins in big power/big competition once the playing field is leveled (by both having efilive) you are sadly mistaken.

ben


so glad someone there has come to their senses. And he is a Duramax guy!!!
 
milldog said:
Best post on there:

if the cummins gets efilive its all over for the duramax's. they've got nothing left going for them. EFILive is THE ONLY reason the duramax's are currently as competitive as they are against the cummins.

if you guys think the dmax will still be able to hang with the cummins in big power/big competition once the playing field is leveled (by both having efilive) you are sadly mistaken.

ben


so glad someone there has come to their senses. And he is a Duramax guy!!!
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So in terms of pw, rail or timing, where are those values now, and what is EFI live going to do to change it?

Give a scenario.
 
I think the efi will eliminate the 3rd injection event and open the barn doors for performance. that last event kills the potential for the best programming, and makes pistons melt.
 
Multiple events have no place IMO. After all, we're trying to get ___cc's of fuel in the chamber in ___ms. Stopping and starting over and over again is just WASTING TIME and dragging things out.

So dropping bs extra events would be a definite plus. Why can't the Smarty programmers do that though? Or why haven't they? Haven't uncovered it in the code, or is it not there in the ECU to be uncovered in the first place?
 
IIRC Marco eliminated one of the events and dropped 100hp when he was developing his software.
 
BgBlDodge said:
IIRC Marco eliminated one of the events and dropped 100hp when he was developing his software.
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Sounds like somebody cut out an event and didn't add an accompanying increase to pw on the sole event to make up for the loss in injection window...

These guys should bare in mind that timing will likely have to change when you're not doing little pansy shots of fuel anymore and just dumping one big bucket of fuel instead. I would imagine the engine would be overtimed if multiple events were replaced by one single event large enough to provide the collective fuel equivalent of all those little events.
 
but how much time did he spend really playing with the other events?

the 2 event trucks w/ big sticks make sick numbers and tend not to melt down like the 3 event trucks...

and I know running the Smarty TNT9 program on my 2 event truck, there was a LOT left on the table with my little 50hp nozzles... running the TST up in power levels, you could feel the truck pull harder and harder up to power level 4.

That's duration that could be taken away from the 3rd event and handed to the 2nd event IMO
 
Forrest Nearing said:
but how much time did he spend really playing with the other events?

the 2 event trucks w/ big sticks make sick numbers and tend not to melt down like the 3 event trucks...

and I know running the Smarty TNT9 program on my 2 event truck, there was a LOT left on the table with my little 50hp nozzles... running the TST up in power levels, you could feel the truck pull harder and harder up to power level 4.

That's duration that could be taken away from the 3rd event and handed to the 2nd event IMO
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We're on the same page. Now do away with the second event and just have the one shot.
 
BgBlDodge said:
IIRC Marco eliminated one of the events and dropped 100hp when he was developing his software.
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I think he only removed the Pilot event, not post....

If someone knows different, please correct me....I started a thread about this pilot event a while back because I thouht getting rid of it would get rid of my horrible rattle before boost was made...I think someone posted that he only removed the pilot event when playing with it...
 
I don't remember which event he removed or what else he did. I just remember reading that he eliminated an event and dropped 100hp. Maybe bob will drop back in here and clarify it some more.
 
This may make me sound like a newb but can they at least read the programming in the stock dodge ECM?? If so then why cant they compare a 2 event ecm to a 3 event and use a program to override or alter that 3rd event and have it no longer occur? I dont need high rpm or tables but getting rid of that 3rd event would possibly save me some pistons and take all the soot out of my oil.
 
Ok ,someone get this perfected for the cr then come out for something for the vp's lol.
 
I hope all of the Cummins powered rides are ready, everyone seems to be on the right track about there comments and questions. I love a Cummins and the power they obtain, but Efi live is a diffrent world. Get ready to get your brains fried and bent rods. Good luck with Efi live and, no I couldnt tune a P-Pumpd motor but could you before you were taught. Us Dmax owners get bashed enough.
 
hsfd26 said:
I hope all of the Cummins powered rides are ready, everyone seems to be on the right track about there comments and questions. I love a Cummins and the power they obtain, but Efi live is a diffrent world. Get ready to get your brains fried and bent rods. Good luck with Efi live and, no I couldnt tune a P-Pumpd motor but could you before you were taught. Us Dmax owners get bashed enough.
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I never did bash the Dmax. I was impressed with that motor and its many versions. Liked it way better then a Ps. My first diesel was Ps. A 99.5 6 spd. Loved it. Even after doing some tuning to it I couldn't take on a cummins. Not without spending a large fortune. I am glad the 6.4 may be the answer to all the die hard Ps followers to finaly have a powerhouse. Though the reign may be over once the CR guys can tune their ecms like the 6.4 and duramax guys. You dmax guys put out some serious numbers and times. In the end as long as its one of the big three they are all good to me. Just love my truck lol.
 
My comment was not directed to anyone special but lets think about it a Dmax with a stock turbo can make up to 600 hp safely and that means money spent( lift pump, cp3, injectors, and some stupid stuff removed off the truck them damn tree huggers. A Dodge is not limited to the program that is written in a tuner, Besides the after market stuff turbo etc. EFI live will be great for you guys and will make me want to invest in one after the bugs are worked out the serious Dmax power builders do not partake in the bs that the halftimmers put on. It only takes onr dumbass to kill it for all of us.
 
any updates on this? If/when they do get efilive and it dumps the duramax back to last place who the f cares? Drive whatever truck YOU want to drive and be happy and do your own thing without being annoying to everyone else. Cummins guys have a history of being poor winners. They always have and always will be.

I stopped caring about going fast when artard DuramaxTuner's ****ty rods lunched my built motor.

ben
 
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