Fass/AirDog

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People need to relieze that just because it is on there truck or they sell it doesnt make it the best. Some might work well on some trucks and some might on others. It is mainly personal opinion both are real good and I would recommend either, they have there pros and cons and one of the cons is bashing them on comp d, people need to grow up. well spoken charlie.
 
MADDOG said:
You should probably insert foot in mouth while doing that.

MADDOG... What is your point.

I am beating my head against the floor because I would rather not turn this into a BRAND DEBATE.

You own what you own, and you did not negatively atack any brand, which I think is cool. On the other hand, the dealer of the AIRDOG that does not want to understand that there are two sides to every story is ok with his BS.

His story is so twisted he doesn't make sense. FASS has not gone through name changes as he states, but as in Charlies the AIR Dog Company has. He claims to know what FASS has done and why, but the dude is so far off he should quit while he is ahead.

So tell me, why should I put my foot in my mouth, what did I type in this thread that is not accurate?
 
JacktheBear3 said:
FASS has not gone through name changes as he states, but as in Charlies the AIR Dog Company has. So tell me, why should I put my foot in my mouth, what did I type in this thread that is not accurate?

Dont waste your time on the Airdog ( if that is the name they are using this week or has it changed again) and its poor customer service.

That was quoted by BAP and noone said the name of fass has been changed.
later he says that it was bad customer service not the product. They are both great and we should leave it at that. And I think Maddog was referring to you jackthebear3 to shut your mouth because noone here wants to here bashing. You might not like air dog who cares leave it at that and dont bash them. I have never met richard but read alot about him and his truck. If he runs air dog and gets that high of numbers then it has to be a good product. A lot of companies customer service sucks but that does stop alot of people from buying from them because of great products.
 
kmkdiesel said:
And I think Maddog was referring to you jackthebear3 to shut your mouth because noone here wants to here bashing.

My point exactly, so I really never bashed anyone.... why direct that at me?
 
JacktheBear3 said:
My point exactly, so I really never bashed anyone.... why direct that at me?

What about smokin cummins comment on airdog. You were bashing him and seem to be the one stirring up the pot. So what he likes air dog not fass, no reason to make a big deal about it. But actually bap also could have just said I dont deal with them anyone becasue I did not like there customer service instead of saying what he did.
 
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kmkdiesel said:
What about smokin cummins comment on airdog. You were bashing him and seem to be the one stirring up the pot. So what he likes air dog not fass, no reason to make a big deal about it.

The guy is putting false info in the thread....Defend anyone you want mr KMK, and I guess my bang head jesture was the end.... SO I thought.

Attack me and I will continue to do the Stirring as you call it.
 
JacktheBear3 said:
The guy is putting false info in the thread....Defend anyone you want mr KMK, and I guess my bang head jesture was the end.... SO I thought.

Attack me and I will continue to do the Stirring as you call it.

I am not attacking you just trying to get all this nonsense to stop and what info was false. I didnt read anything false, but I didnt read acouple times either.
 
kmkdiesel said:
I am not attacking you just trying to get all this nonsense to stop and what info was false. I didnt read anything false, but I didnt read acouple times either.

So back to the reality.

Our friend that started this post wants to know if there is a difference between the two manufacturers..... He feels they look like identical systems.

With that in mind, I say that the FASS BRAND has FORD specific systems that could benefit him if he is looking to get into modding the truck. The FASS systems that are 150/180 are designed to by pass the OEM HPFuel Pump and deliver a minimum of 55 PSI to the Unit Injection system of the FORD. If his intentions are to simply feed the OEM HPFuel Pump on the frame then I say there is not much of a difference and either BRAND would work and Function Fine.

I DO SELL FASS, so my point of view is based on what I know.....

AIRDOG GUYS, chime in and let our friend know what you or your BRAND offers for the FORD (beside the fact that they look the same).
 
I am looking to replace my whole stock pump. and im wondering what one would be better. Airdog is alot cheaper right now, but i done see many people us them on fords.
 
Fuzzys69 said:
I am looking to replace my whole stock pump. and im wondering what one would be better. Airdog is alot cheaper right now, but i done see many people us them on fords.
Find out what pressure the AirDog runs at. You need Minimum 50 PSI feed to the Injectors. FASS has that covered and you will need to look into the 2014 Models. IF no big mods are coming the lower GPH kits will be fine for you.

I don't know if AIR DOG has the High Pressure Unit, PM MADDOG and the others to give you a hand with this, they seem to be on top of those brands.
 
Fuzzys69 said:
I am looking to replace my whole stock pump. and im wondering what one would be better. Airdog is alot cheaper right now, but i done see many people us them on fords.
If you want to bypass the factory pump your only choice between the 2 will be the FASS 95/180 @55psi or the 150/180@55psi.
 
JacktheBear3 said:
The guy is putting false info in the thread....Defend anyone you want mr KMK, and I guess my bang head jesture was the end.... SO I thought.

Attack me and I will continue to do the Stirring as you call it.

I posted no false information - My statements are all facts that I can back up. I have sold many different brands of systems and have experiance with many different setups. Just because something moves fuel does not mean it works well. The FASS is a perfect example of this. If you would like to know more about fuel systems I would be glad to explain it in more detail, but the fact is there is rarely a need for more than 100 GPH.

I know you are a dedicated FASS dealer, so explain this. Why does a AirDog and a GDP (Glacier using a Walbro pump) both of which run 100 GPH and less perform where a FASS 95 fails to perform. That alone tells me the FASS is inferior.
 
Lol, there must be something in the water around this place, every other thread these days turns into a pissing contest...Keep it up, I need a good laugh :pop: Oh and FASS rules :rockwoot:
 
FYI and not stirring the pot!

The reason that the primary filter (vacuum side) on a class eight truck or on any vacuum feed setup is always low or most always low is because air, entrained or free, will not pass through the fillter under a low pressure differential. About 10/15 inches h2O (not hg. mercury). The reason the filters on the pressure side of the transfer pump are always full is because the pressures exceed the 10/15 in. h2O psi and air will pass through most any filter at pressures exceeding this. This equates to about 35/40 PSI in most filters. Because of all of this, any system trying to separate air at these pressures or higher will pretty much fail. The Fuel Preporator, AirDog systems all operate at output pressures below this level.

The FP AirDog system has a primary (positive) air separation system that removes the air separated by the filter media from the filter at this point and vents it into the return line after the regulator. Any air that may be in the interior of the filter element, and the fuel, has two places to exit the filter. One is out to the engine through the pickup tube extending down into the filter and two is back to the fuel tank through the passageway between the nipple and pickup tube. If the flow rate of the fuel is low enough, the air will float up and out with the fuel returning to the tank. If the flow rate is to great for the air to float, it will go with the fuel to where ever the fuel goes, to the engine (not good) and to the tank if the regulator is open enough to allow fuel to flow back to the tank. Because the FP AirDog has the positive air separation feature (the fass does not) it will separate the air (to protect your engine) regardless of the regulator position. Additionally, the original Fuel Preporator as good as it was, using the 5" od, filter would not separate air from fuel above 150 gph. A flow velocity above 150gph could trap the air in the filter (it could not float up against the incoming flow to exit). Therefore, it could not be made smaller or flowhigher flows. The answer to this problem was the addition of the (patented) 'flow dividers'. The flow dividers separate the area between the filter nutplate and filter head into an inlet side and an outlet side. Now, the air is swept unrestricted over and up to the primary gas exit port. With these features the small and compact AirDog, with 3" OD filters, separates air from fuel at over 150 gph. And, the larger class 8 truck model Fuel Preporator, slightly smaller than the fass and using filters the same diameter as the fass, could separate air from fuel at up to 310 GPH. By the way, the Fleetguard FS-1023 water separator seen on many fass units is listed as the crossover product to the Fuel Preporator water separator made by Fleetguard.

Regardless of what one may think, unless the (patented) primary gas exit port and flow dividers of the Fuel Preporator are in the system, air will only be separated from the fuel at a very low flow rate and definitely not at high pressures (pressures above 40psi). If you think it will, you are just fooling your self!

To quote Brad Ekstam from a letter he sent to "Diesel Owner/Operator": "When discussing the benefits of the Fuel Preporator and the sound physics behind this product, many of you wanted to purchase and put the Fuel Preporator to use immediately in your business."

Answer this, why would you want to use a product that does not include all of, as Brad stated "the sound physics behind the product"? To again quote Brad when asked: "the Fuel Preporator without the air bleed port would operate in the same way as the FASS..." he responded "I am saying you would be taking air out the same way we do."

"Included in the letter to "Diesel Owner/Operator" was an Article, "TEST CELL PERFORMANCE" which started: "The FASS Fuel System was designed to give yesterday's and todays diesel engine "Test Cell Performance in Real World Conditiions." The original writing, Copyrighted and registered, started: "The Fuel Preporator was designed..."

I hope this will clear a little of the air on this subject! If not, there are volumes of examples like this that are fact and verifiable.

Thanks for your time!
Charlie
 
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This one might need to be closed before it turns into a product bash fest, oh wait, it already has...Oh and before I forget, you most definately stirred the pot...with an extra large spoon...:hehe:
 
I wonder how Christmas is at that house??
I bought the FASS 150 for my Dodge because it did what I needed and was the less expensive of the two. Never had a problem with it.
 
Texas Red said:
I wonder how Christmas is at that house??
I bought the FASS 150 for my Dodge because it did what I needed and was the less expensive of the two. Never had a problem with it.
You know what we should all do this morning, Take a few seconds of your time and bow your head and simply ask that the Almighty touch the hearts of both Brad and his father that they may find a way to mend past hurts and become a family again. Imagine the end product that could benefit all of us as a whole if the 2 put their heads together.
 
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