Haisley "HI FLOW CONNECTOR TUBES" anyone?

That Guy said:
You sell parts without divulging any information about the products themselves, not directly related to you but the F1 line of products. Hype and mystery plain and simple, I understand that most won't divulge every detail, but when buying a set of injectors or camshaft I want a better answer than "They work".
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No we divulge info , just not specific spec on everything. Why do you feel you need to know hole size and pop pressures on M6's? As mentioned hole size is only a part of the HP part of an injector? As mentioned in another post specs aren't really needed if good testing has been done. A manufactorer can give you the application specs and recommendations, heck crane, comp cams etc do just this...... They do provide lift and duration but many important numbers are not included. What they do give is a HP rating, application and rpm recommendation.

But this thread is about injector tubes...... And as I posted we say a loss or NO gain from larger tubes on a VP truck. This has been posted about by others as well in this thread.
 
That Guy said:
You sell parts without divulging any information about the products themselves, not directly related to you but the F1 line of products. Hype and mystery plain and simple, I understand that most won't divulge every detail, but when buying a set of injectors or camshaft I want a better answer than "They work".
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Hype? OK, lets get some facts out there. Only, as in no other trucks, run in the 11 second range on Diesel Only unless they run Mach 6's or Mach 7's. 6 and 7 trucks consistantly produce over 600 HP on Diesel Only.

Thats not hype, thats not dyno skewed numbers, thats performance.

Everyone yaps about LPM, hole size, and other old school nonsense that has no place in real performance circles when talking about injector design. This is precisely why these other brands dont run in the 11's and rarely get to 600HP.

Call your favorite vendor and ask for proof of an 11 second run on Diesel Only. Ask how many have made 600 HP on Diesel Only. Im talking about proof, not hype.

The "hype" is telling people their injectors are balanced and all flow the same while using an arcane method of testing that flow rate. Some use 50 PSI of air. LMAO. All the while knowng that the injector is actually flowing a liquid and under intense pressure when it ends up in the engine. Or better yet, telling people their cam is cast steel, when it is NOT.

None of the 11 second trucks I mentioned earlier run a modified connector tube. Rather stock. There is a reason. If it worked, we would use them. We do modify connector tubes for CR's, cuz it works when done PROPERLY!
 
Soup Nazi said:
Hype? OK, lets get some facts out there. Only, as in no other trucks, run in the 11 second range on Diesel Only unless they run Mach 6's or Mach 7's. 6 and 7 trucks consistantly produce over 600 HP on Diesel Only.

Thats not hype, thats not dyno skewed numbers, thats performance.

Everyone yaps about LPM, hole size, and other old school nonsense that has no place in real performance circles when talking about injector design. This is precisely why these other brands dont run in the 11's and rarely get to 600HP.

Call your favorite vendor and ask for proof of an 11 second run on Diesel Only. Ask how many have made 600 HP on Diesel Only. Im talking about proof, not hype.

The "hype" is telling people their injectors are balanced and all flow the same while using an arcane method of testing that flow rate. Some use 50 PSI of air. LMAO. All the while knowng that the injector is actually flowing a liquid and under intense pressure when it ends up in the engine. Or better yet, telling people their cam is cast steel, when it is NOT.

None of the 11 second trucks I mentioned earlier run a modified connector tube. Rather stock. There is a reason. If it worked, we would use them. We do modify connector tubes for CR's, cuz it works when done PROPERLY!
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You would think one might want to return a phone call from one of those 11.76 Vp44 fuel only trucks that would like to sell your product? :poke:
 
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Rods said:
Ok lets say one makes 10lbs on a set of injectors he tries another set loses 5lbs trys another set makes 15lbs . So is he making more power ? or just throwing heat to make boost ?
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I tired a different "box" then I normally run at the track (1/4 mile). It made 5lbs more boost and 150* higher EGT's. Sounded like more fuel. It ran .11 to .13 slower then the Drag Comp I normally run. This was back to back testing the same night. The other box, runs less advance....

Paul
 
That Guy said:
How many Pro Street Drag trucks use Mach injectors?
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Are there any VP44 powered Pro Streets?? I don't know that I've seen any!

Also, how many VP trucks run in the upper sled pulling classes? I've been to lots of pulls, and most guys in those upper classes are a bit secretive when it comes to how they make their power...unless it's on a sponsors sticker on the side of the truck

Never had a 24v...had some friend who I've installed/helped install bigger connector tubes, and eventually they all came back off either because the drivability suffered, or they couldn't stand the lopey idle. Of course these were 350-450hp daily drivers, not 4K RPM pullers!

Chris
 
That Guy said:
The truth of the matter is you bash old style methods of camshaft and injector development yet offer no explanation as to why your products are so superior, .
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I just offered you something. Performance numbers. Is that not what matters when buying "performance" products? Also, Doug just told you the hole sizes are the same in M4, 5 and 6 injectors. But they close to 100HP in power difference. Did you not read that? If so, how could hole size really make a hill of beans difference?

Here are some more numbers.

The only 1200+ HP Common Rail truck.

The first Common Rail truck to run a 10.95 on Diesel Only.

Over 50 customers making over 600 HP on Diesel Only with a 24 VP44 truck.

I gave you facts of performance, they give nonsense talk of LPM and hole sizes.

Pulling: I had one truck in 2005 that ran my injectors and camshaft, he finished 2nd for the YEAR in the DHRA street class to Sled Puller. Ray Gullet. He no longer pulls. I dont sell to pullers much. Partly because I run into this same thing.
 
FWIW, you guys wanting more than around 650hp on fuel only out of a vp44 are just chasing you own tails. Thats why I sold mine and got a common rail. Lot's easier to get big hp.
 
How much nitrous did that 1200hp truck run? I heard 3 stages of nitrous.
 
Luckly when he said VP and #2 only I would have gave him his AZZ cause lets go back a little when you was introuduced to Dennis Perry and DP said what do you have for me Don ? uhh nothing


BTW That Guy ,, My M6.5 is going to KEATING for a little why why analysis.
 
TopFueler said:
How much nitrous did that 1200hp truck run? I heard 3 stages of nitrous.
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Brady, you already know he ran Nitrous and your son probably knows exactly what the set up was.
 
Signature600 said:
Never had a 24v...had some friend who I've installed/helped install bigger connector tubes, and eventually they all came back off either because the drivability suffered, or they couldn't stand the lopey idle. Of course these were 350-450hp daily drivers, not 4K RPM pullers!

Chris
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I daily drive and tow well over 25K GVW with a truck that would be 550+ if I ever get enough air.

I run over sized connector tubes with no sacrifice in drive ability, and there is only a slight difference in idle.

There is a fine balance between connector tube size and pop off pressures.

If you just up crank pop off pressures to create power with out changing hone size, larger tubes will hurt performance.
 
This is still going? I dont know what to say, Dyno data and track results tell us the modded tubes are a "net loss" in power.

I dont care what people run, unless I am directly involved in helping them make the HP. I dont sell tubes for the VP, but if they worked, I would.
For goodness sake I can EDM those things in a matter of minutes. It would be easy money. Thats prescisely why we dont charge customers to modify their CR tubes when they purchase our injectors.

Other than, "my truck runs good with big tubes" who has data to show they add anything in terms of measureable power? Track data, Dyno Data?
 
If you could only feel their azz when it's thrown back into the seatLOL SOTP POWER
 
Dont worry Don data is coming on tubes and yr injectors against others , heck we might even set them up and compare flow to one another Scheid has all the proper equipment
 
Wouldn't a simple flow test be a good way to determine if the connector tubes are a restriction or not? If your injector flows 50 lpm and the connector tube (stock) flows 100, then it would be a waste of time. The question becomes what does your injector flow, a stock connector tube flow, and a drilled/EDMd tube flow. I/we tried it on a couple of trucks in our area and found they were a pain on the street. Combined with larger lines the idle was all over the place (it sounds really cool, though!) and the motor would frequently stall when lifting off the throttle quickly. Stock lines with drilled tubes were much less radical, but the dyno showed no gain or loss on 2 trucks (it was the same dyno on different days and within a couple hp on both). If I recall correctly, one set of injectors were honed 125hp and the others were Mach 5s or 6s. The setup with the large lines and tubes was never tried due to poor drivability. Just my/our experiences.

Don,

What kind of gains do you see with drilled tubes on the CRs? As mentioned, we drilled out a set of 24V tubes before. Are the CRs the same? What is your cost for EDMing a set?
 
IC-Smoke said:
if the tubes dont make power my make them in the first place?
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I called them when I had mine in and asked about the idle. They said that the tubes were made as an idea to help HP. They were tested and so many folks heard about them and wanted them, they just started making them. I don't know if they run them or not, but the lady I spoke with said they were just a trial deal that turned into sales. $.02
 
IC-Smoke said:
if the tubes dont make power my make them in the first place?
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If people don't really need CXT IH's, why do they make them??

We could do this for days, but as long as people can be persuaded to buy a product, there will be a market for them.

And as a tractor salesman, I'm glad for this...as a diesel power consumer, I don my own research on most products, and go from the educated opinions of others who have done their own research on the rest of them!

Chris
 
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