Hamilton 12v Head

BlackStroker

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Just curious to what you guys think about the Hamilton head in the 2.6 class...basically will it be legal or illegal, this year, next year...What about in the 3.0 classes?

Not really interested in a battle of if the head is good or not just legality of it in 2.6 and 3.0 classes.

Thanks.
 
BlackStroker said:
Just curious to what you guys think about the Hamilton head in the 2.6 class...basically will it be legal or illegal, this year, next year...What about in the 3.0 classes?

Not really interested in a battle of if the head is good or not just legality of it in 2.6 and 3.0 classes.

Thanks.
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Illinois, I believe voted down allowing aftermarket blocks or heads. I think you can see if they are struggling to allow them in the 3.0 classes, that they won't be allowed in the lower classes. Doesn't mean that someone won't try and even get by with running one.
 
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Grind the texas logo off the front and give it a whirl.
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That's what I'm saying. Who gives a fuk? That's where the line is drawn? Then roller rockers and Aries pistons shouldn't be allowed either cause they are not oem either.
 
ILLINOISRAM said:
That's what I'm saying. Who gives a fuk? That's where the line is drawn? Then roller rockers and Aries pistons shouldn't be allowed either cause they are not oem either.
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It is a precedent that has been established in lots of motorsports.
However I do know that alot of the gas pulling say, "no aluminum heads".

If the rules don't say you can't...
Probably no more of a gamble than spending $4k on a turbocharger that could be outlawed the following year!

Of course this is coming from the guy who cries about the no bushing rule. LOL
 
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Damn right I cry about the bushings rule. It saved nothing. They are making more power now then before at three times the cost. Sorry if I have trouble buying in to that. The currant expense to build a 2.6 truck is outta control, but let's not spend another 2500$ for a head cause that pushes it way over the top. I just don't understand I guess.
 
ILLINOISRAM said:
Damn right I cry about the bushings rule. It saved nothing. They are making more power now then before at three times the cost. Sorry if I have trouble buying in to that. The currant expense to build a 2.6 truck is outta control, but let's not spend another 2500$ for a head cause that pushes it way over the top. I just don't understand I guess.
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I understand, you would still have $4000 turbos and your power level would be even higher. A protrusion charger can be made pretty cheap. Heck I made one and had about $250 in machine work back in 2008 IIRC.
 
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That was 08 Dan, this is 2012. Would that be competitive today? LOL. Actuall I was saying I don't understand what is wrong with allowing the head. Seems to me the guys driving the class would want the best.
 
ILLINOISRAM said:
That was 08 Dan, this is 2012. Would that be competitive today? LOL. Actuall I was saying I don't understand what is wrong with allowing the head. Seems to me the guys driving the class would want the best.
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That charger would be as competitive as a box stock bushed s480 would be in a bushing class.


Lets step back and say no protrusion rule in effect.
What would the hot charger cost?
Billet HX60 no protrusion would cost about $4000
Precision no protrusion, $3000-$4000 depending on the model.

Lets assume the Hamilton head does well on the dyno and pulling track. The top guys would want it allowed, and you would still be complaining about it costs too much.:lolly:

I don't see how protrusion added alot of money to the turbo cost. This is 2012 as you said, and there would be billet wheels in all of the top chargers, protrusion, bushed or native bore.
 
BlackStroker said:
Just curious to what you guys think about the Hamilton head in the 2.6 class...basically will it be legal or illegal, this year, next year...What about in the 3.0 classes?

Not really interested in a battle of if the head is good or not just legality of it in 2.6 and 3.0 classes.

Thanks.
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No it wont be legal in 2.6 or 3.0 and thats the way it should be.
 
DISTURBED said:
No it wont be legal in 2.6 or 3.0 and thats the way it should be.
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Okay but why should it not be allowed? How is that any different than allowing air to water? No truck came factory with water. They all came with air to air so I can see modifying or upgrading but switching completely is no different than a aftermarket head. Besides the head is a factory replacement setup with intake shelf and everything. It has been modified and reworked but not a complete deferent setup. It's not aluminum, overhead cam, or even require different injectors.

I'm playing devils advocate here but tell me why you don't think it should be allowd

Tim
 
ILLINOISRAM said:
Okay but why should it not be allowed? How is that any different than allowing air to water? No truck came factory with water. They all came with air to air so I can see modifying or upgrading but switching completely is no different than a aftermarket head. Besides the head is a factory replacement setup with intake shelf and everything. It has been modified and reworked but not a complete deferent setup. It's not aluminum, overhead cam, or even require different injectors.

I'm playing devils advocate here but tell me why you don't think it should be allowd

Tim
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So then with your arguement why not allow billet blocks? If you allow this head then you would have to allow all aftermarket heads cause they are not OEM and what constitutes a direct replacement? Unless it is sold through an OEM as a upgrade to the original, i dont see it being a direct replacement. Hell you could argue a billet head is a direct replacement. Also the rules say 1 ton or less. This head didnt come on a 1 ton or less anything. Before i would spend 3k on a head that is going to crack and not beable to be fixed i would run a billet head that could be fixed. If you allow this head then you have opened a can of worms that nobody wants to do for the sheer fact of cost.
 
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Well I see some of your points. But I have bought new cummins heads only to have them crack and warp too. I have a new block from scheids that replaced the cracked 53 and it has no number designation on it anywhere. I have heard that they were sourcing them out of industrial or marine applications because they were better castings and what not. That means it didn't come from a one ton or less truck so what's the difference? And if you want to get that picky then runner intakes ate not part of the oem head so only bolt on shelfs should be allowed as legal replacements.

If I rember right, don't the Scheid rules say stock appearing head and block?
 
Many rules read; No aftermarket cylinder heads or blocks. I see no reason to debate the meaning of this.
 
ILLINOISRAM said:
Well I see some of your points. But I have bought new cummins heads only to have them crack and warp too. I have a new block from scheids that replaced the cracked 53 and it has no number designation on it anywhere. I have heard that they were sourcing them out of industrial or marine applications because they were better castings and what not. That means it didn't come from a one ton or less truck so what's the difference? And if you want to get that picky then runner intakes ate not part of the oem head so only bolt on shelfs should be allowed as legal replacements.

If I rember right, don't the Scheid rules say stock appearing head and block?
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So your block isn't legal either? LOL
 
ILLINOISRAM said:
Well I see some of your points. But I have bought new cummins heads only to have them crack and warp too. I have a new block from scheids that replaced the cracked 53 and it has no number designation on it anywhere. I have heard that they were sourcing them out of industrial or marine applications because they were better castings and what not. That means it didn't come from a one ton or less truck so what's the difference? And if you want to get that picky then runner intakes ate not part of the oem head so only bolt on shelfs should be allowed as legal replacements.

If I rember right, don't the Scheid rules say stock appearing head and block?
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Scheids pull is governed by PPL. PPL says no aftermarket blocks or heads. The block you have is still a block directly from Cummins. So you would be in favor of allowing billet heads in then? If they do allow this head in from Hamilton don't you think its a little lop sided since nobody elses aftermarket heads would be allowed?
 
The ppl 2.6 rules read "stock appearing" , which in my opinion is open to interpretation.
 
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