Hauling tractor from Mississippi back to Ohio? Legal?

WI. It is real simple. It is in no way involved in commerce therefore doesn't require a CDL. If it doesn't need a CDL all it needs is a standard class D. Please show me proof of that. If thats the case then a person can drive a semi truck and not need anything, and i dont see that being true. Try driving a semi with a reg dl and let me know how that turns out unless its farm use..
 
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rpage said:
WI. It is real simple. It is in no way involved in commerce therefore doesn't require a CDL. If it doesn't need a CDL all it needs is a standard class D. Please show me proof of that. If thats the case then a person can drive a semi truck and not need anything, and i dont see that being true. Try driving a semi with a reg dl and let me know how that turns out unless its farm use..
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rpage said:
yopu need to look at page 5 here PoPo http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/drivers/docs/cdl-vol1.pdf
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Is there something in particular in that link you want to show me? That explains what class of license you need to operate COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLES. It has nothing to do with RV/ personal use vehicles.

You should check RVnet.com. There are hundred of guys running class * rigs with standard DL's on there.
 
You have yet to provide any facts, from any thing other then yourself. I looked at wisconsin laws and did not see anything backing you up . If you looked it had a chart telling what needed what and nothing you stated was there on what type of vehicle needed what dl, everything you stated was wrong and there was no rv or personal exemption to be found. Really your gonna go by guys who get paid the least amount per mile in the trucking industry. They run reg dl due to the fact they are under the combo limit of 26k but if you want to go by what others say,and not what the dot websites go for it. Matter of fact come on down here class a set up and see how long it takes before you get stopped by the dot and spend some cash.
 
rpage said:
everything you stated was wrong and there was no rv or personal exemption to be found. .
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I guess you should have read farther eh?

Who is exempt from CDL licensing in Wisconsin?

Federal law allows states the option to waive certain kinds of drivers from the requirement to obtain a CDL. In Wisconsin, fire fighters, emergency vehicle operators, recreational vehicle drivers and farmers do not need a CDL to operate certain CMVs, but remain subject to the alcohol and traffic rules that apply to all commercial motor vehicle drivers. Wisconsin waivers include:

Fire fighters and rescue squad members will not need a CDL to drive properly equipped emergency or fire fighting vehicles.

Recreational vehicle operators (owned or leased motor home, fifth wheel mobile home or touring mobile home, provided it isn’t longer than 45 feet) not engaged in commercial activity will not need a CDL.

A farmer, his family members, and/or his employees will not need a CDL to drive a commercial motor vehicle owned or leased by the farmer, provided the vehicle is not used in “for hire” carriage, is transporting farm supplies, produce or machinery to or from the farm and is within 150 miles of the farm. The farm supplies that a farmer may transport without obtaining a CDL may include hazardous materials. However, a farmer driving a commercial motor vehicle with double or triple trailers or designed to carry or actually carrying 16 or more passengers must have a CDL with proper endorsements.
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So tell me again what class of DL would I need to drive my exempt RV or Farm truck? :hehe:
 
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so i missed the the rv part but last time i checked hauling rv's and getting paid is called commerce but i'm sure those guys hauling rv's arent getting paid. Your also stating the same facts i stated earlier about cdl's. It says exempt from needing a cdl not exempt needing the correct weight class dl. Tell ya what drive around the us some and see how many dot leo's agree with you and let me know how that turns out.
 
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rpage said:
so i missed the the rv part but last time i checked hauling rv's and getting paid is called commerce but i'm sure those guys hauling rv's arent getting paid.
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Who is talking about getting paid to haul RV's?

Your also stating the same facts i stated earlier about cdl's. It says exempt from needing a cdl not exempt needing the correct weight class dl.
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You really don't get it do you? There are NO weight class DL's in WI besides CDLs. If it is exempt from CDL then a class D is all that is left. That is the majority of my original point that your blanket statement of needing a class A doesn't work for all.
 
rpage said:
Tell ya what drive around the us some and see how many dot leo's agree with you and let me know how that turns out.
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So you are saying they will make me get a class of DL that is unavailable? Why don't you try to come get a non commercial class A in WI and let me know how that goes for you.:hehe:
 
PoPo said:
So you are saying they will make me get a class of DL that is unavailable? Why don't you try to come get a non commercial class A in WI and let me know how that goes for you.:hehe:
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:hehe: dont have to cuz i have a class a cdl, Why dont you go anywhere and try to drive a 80k rig more then a 150 miles form the farm on your reg dl. No they will red tag ya till someone shows up with one. But i can see your the one who knows all the regs for the whole u.s so i will just get rid of my class a tell em you said it was ok cuz it was personal use.:hehe::hehe: Good luck to the O P if he follows your advice.
 
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:hehe: dont have to cuz i have a class a cdl, Why dont you go anywhere and try to drive a 80k rig more then a 150 miles form the farm on your reg dl. No they will red tag ya till someone shows up with one. But i can see your the one who knows all the regs for the whole u.s so i will just get rid of my class a tell em you said it was ok cuz it was personal use.:hehe::hehe: Good luck to the O P if he follows your advice.
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You can't answer a question can you?

If it doesn't require a CDL in WI what class of license would I need?
 
Rpage here is the exemption you are looking for.

Who Needs a CDL?

the following commercial vehicles is required to have a commercial driver license:

Single Vehicles - Having a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR)* of 26,001 pounds or more.

Combination Vehicles - Towing a trailer or other vehicles with a GVWR of 10,001 pounds or more when the gross combination weight rating (GCWR)** is 26,001 pounds or more.

Vehicles:

Designed to transport 16 or more people (including the driver)
Carrying hazardous materials in amounts requiring placarding
*Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) is the recommended maximum total weight of the vehicle and load as designated by the vehicle manufacturer. The GVWR label is usually found on the driver side door post of the power unit and on the front left side of the trailer. The GVWR should not be confused with the elected gross vehicle weight (GVW) which is declared by the vehicle owner for registration purposes.

**Gross Combination Weight Rating (GCWR) means the value specified by the manufacturer as the maximum loaded weight of a combination vehicle. In the absence of a label, the GCWR can be calculated by adding the GVWR of the power unit to the GVWR of the vehicle(s) or trailer(s) being towed.

Exemptions

Individuals: Operating motor homes or other vehicles used exclusively to transport personal possessions or family members, for non-business purposes.
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chvyrkr said:
If you're runnin farm tags in KY and you blow by scales pullin a trailer they might come after you.

I don't know if they care what you weigh, but they want all farm tags to weigh on the way through.
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Not true. Also, in Kentucky, you can get farm limited tags all the way up to 80,000lbs. without a CDL. Only limiting factor is being 150 miles from your home of record. If they come after you with KY farm tags, it was probably because you were doing 90 past the scales. Most DOT guys have no clue what the farm tag rules are anyway.
 
the problem is you guys are talking state rules. DOT rules are federal. The federal laws are the ones being inforced on the roads. Plus it is all up to trooper interpretation which is as accurate as ours are. RV's are exempt from cdl but just like the qoute above said, they must follow all the same rules. but you get out and get stopped for something or other and then the troopers discretion comes up and my moneys on it wont turn out great.
 
Right federal DOT but state exemptions. I stated the ones in Ky, because he has to come through there to get from Mississippi to Ohio. Unless he wants to take 77 North. That's a crappy road without a load. I Ky he will be fine. Just stay around the speed limit and secure the load with the correct amount of chains. I've hauled 5x5 hay rolls down 64 2 abreast. 10ft wide with no special permits, or tags, or cdls, or escort cars, or any other thing that a commercial vehical needs.
 
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The same reason Coal trucks can get 110,000 lb tags to haul coal in Ky.
 
rpage said:
that personal exempt will not work here no matter what.
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Why not? Care to elaborate or answer my question seeing how you " have yet to provide any facts, from any thing other then yourself" or are we just supposed to take your word for it?
 
PoPo said:
Why not? Care to elaborate or answer my question seeing how you " have yet to provide any facts, from any thing other then yourself" or are we just supposed to take your word for it?
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You sound like the kind of unsafe person I wouldn't want to be travelling near on the road. All you want to do is look for state loop holes. Why don't you just man up and get the proper license and be done with it OR be a danger and don't ever leave the state of WI. Some peoples kids.

I have a class A cdl. I run all over the US and Canada 3 weeks a month hauling campers. My truck has a weighted tag for 26k. It is registered in NC. It more than comply's with NC laws but I don't follow state laws. I along with everyone else that drives across state lines have to comply with federal DOT laws. My truck has to be DOT inspected every year, I have to even drive over scales but only certain ones in the US, I have to keep a log book. Why do I have to do all this, Well because it is interstate commerce. Why do I need a cdl? I don't but it leaves my options open just in case and if I haul personal loads over 26k I am covered.

See, I am not even at cdl weight limit but I have to comply with all cdl laws as per federal dot regulations.
 
Blackdog said:
You sound like the kind of unsafe person I wouldn't want to be travelling near on the road. All you want to do is look for state loop holes. Why don't you just man up and get the proper license and be done with it OR be a danger and don't ever leave the state of WI. Some peoples kids.

I have a class A cdl. I run all over the US and Canada 3 weeks a month hauling campers. My truck has a weighted tag for 26k. It is registered in NC. It more than comply's with NC laws but I don't follow state laws. I along with everyone else that drives across state lines have to comply with federal DOT laws. My truck has to be DOT inspected every year, I have to even drive over scales but only certain ones in the US, I have to keep a log book. Why do I have to do all this, Well because it is interstate commerce. Why do I need a cdl? I don't but it leaves my options open just in case and if I haul personal loads over 26k I am covered.

See, I am not even at cdl weight limit but I have to comply with all cdl laws as per federal dot regulations.
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Great story.
 
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