how competetive can a VP44 truck be?

smokin24v said:
what dose it normally cost to get a head fireringd?
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It cost me $250 to get my head and block fireringed and another $250ish for the firering/headgasket kit from Haisley. The kits lists for about $450 I think though. Different shops will charge you more/less though. I found a place in KC that would do it for $150, but I still had to ship the head there and back.
 
I might know a vp44 truck that did real well last year. I might be wrong but that truck i am think of finish in top 15 at scheid and i belive 13 at TS. That truck only had a comp box,150 horse injectors,2.5 turbo and what i would call a hot rod pump. Now one thing i do know that truck never seen :nos: So if u want to build vp44 truck to be competive in the 2.6 street class u can. By the way that truck was driven to all the pulls last year and plan to do so this year like a street truck should be........................ and if u r looken for good power it is possible trust me.
 
Dont let them fool you a 24valve will never be competitve. :rules:


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There is alot to getting one dialed in, but once they are, they run with the best. You do not see alot any more because most people give up and run a p-pump. The first problem I see with your truck is the 5-speed. If you have 4.1s, thats fine, but if your running 3.54's on a 5 speed, you will have trouble winning. With 3.54s, your stuck in 3rd low, and those 35 inch tires are gonna help some. However, if you have 4.1s, ditch the 35's and get some 33's or 285's and run 2nd hi or 4th low. The rest of your setup is decent and can be very competitive in brush pulls, just add the 66 and a pulling clutch. I would recommend buying a pulling clutch to start with.
 
SmokinCummins said:
There is alot to getting one dialed in, but once they are, they run with the best. You do not see alot any more because most people give up and run a p-pump. The first problem I see with your truck is the 5-speed. If you have 4.1s, thats fine, but if your running 3.54's on a 5 speed, you will have trouble winning. With 3.54s, your stuck in 3rd low, and those 35 inch tires are gonna help some. However, if you have 4.1s, ditch the 35's and get some 33's or 285's and run 2nd hi or 4th low. The rest of your setup is decent and can be very competitive in brush pulls, just add the 66 and a pulling clutch. I would recommend buying a pulling clutch to start with.
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Save yourself some potential broken parts too and get the 1 3/8" imput shaft with the clutch at the same time, then your tranny should be more than strong enough to handle what your VP can dish out :D
 
Pat McGloin said:
I might know a vp44 truck that did real well last year. I might be wrong but that truck i am think of finish in top 15 at scheid and i belive 13 at TS. That truck only had a comp box,150 horse injectors,2.5 turbo and what i would call a hot rod pump. Now one thing i do know that truck never seen :nos: So if u want to build vp44 truck to be competive in the 2.6 street class u can. By the way that truck was driven to all the pulls last year and plan to do so this year like a street truck should be........................ and if u r looken for good power it is possible trust me.
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I heard that. We should have more true street driven trucks. If your talkin about your own truck, my buddy says he see's you every day in pickerington drivin it. BTW I was the one out at eep dyno day with the black and silver dodge.
 
Pat McGloin said:
I might know a vp44 truck that did real well last year. I might be wrong but that truck i am think of finish in top 15 at scheid and i belive 13 at TS. That truck only had a comp box,150 horse injectors,2.5 turbo and what i would call a hot rod pump. Now one thing i do know that truck never seen :nos: So if u want to build vp44 truck to be competive in the 2.6 street class u can. By the way that truck was driven to all the pulls last year and plan to do so this year like a street truck should be........................ and if u r looken for good power it is possible trust me.
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:poke:I would not call 13th competitive. And i think now days its going to take more than a stock or hrvp to compete at all.
 
jktcummins said:
:poke:I would not call 13th competitive. And i think now days its going to take more than a stock or hrvp to compete at all.
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OK u can say that if u want did u know there was about 80 truck in both pulls and im sure there where alot of p pumps behind that truck. Now i know that all ur top Pro Street trucks run big P PUMP. That what im tring to say that they r not street trucks and that why we r going to lose alot of pullers this year.We run pro street trucks and call them street trucks that is why my truck will be driven to pulls and driven home afterwards. Yes u will see me drive my truck at least once a week i built it to use it and not watch it colect dust between pulls. :rockwoot:
 
Persingerpulling said:
I heard that. We should have more true street driven trucks. If your talkin about your own truck, my buddy says he see's you every day in pickerington drivin it. BTW I was the one out at eep dyno day with the black and silver dodge.
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Yea that me just Pat lol. looken foward to see u all around at some pulls this year.
 
jktcummins said:
:poke:I would not call 13th competitive. And i think now days its going to take more than a stock or hrvp to compete at all.
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The plain and simple fact here is a VP can compete might not take 1st but it can be up their. Pat pulls in OH and some in KY the states with the TOP trucks in the country period. Im sure TS will back my statement with it's sled pulling results.......
Brandon
 
Pat's truck runs REALLY well for a VP. Shriver won Schied with a VP two years ago with all the Hot Dmaxes of that time. It takes a good chassis setup, a good driver and practice. Dont expect to bolt on parts and win.
 
:clap: Well said
97' CTD said:
The plain and simple fact here is a VP can compete might not take 1st but it can be up their. Pat pulls in OH and some in KY the states with the TOP trucks in the country period. Im sure TS will back my statement with it's sled pulling results.......
Brandon
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Pat's truck runs very well. I've run with his truck many times. 13th at any national event IS competitive IMO. I guess I would say that though, considering I got 19th our of 89 trucks at Scheid last year, 15th the year before that out of 121 trucks, 9th two years in a row at TS out of 39 year before last and out of 69 last year, and 2nd out of 37 at Diesel Mania year before last (all of which, I consider national events) in my VP truck that I've daily driven since 2003. This is done with a simple, off the shelf 62mm charger and the same setup that I've run for the last two years with no upgrades between seasons.

Back to the actual question at hand, yes they can be competitive. Competitive does not mean winning every pull or two. With the lack of true "street trucks" left in the class, it will become even harder to be competitive, though. As far as the trans and gearing, you're fine. Depending on the track setup, suspension and chassis setup, how you drive, and various other variables will determine how well you do and what you break. I personally have never done worth a nickel in 3rd low. I have 3.54's with 305's and I have no choice but to run 2nd high if I want the chance to be up in the pack. Take it for what it's worth, but there it is.

I don't post on here a whole lot. Mainly in here reading, but it's hard not to post when there are so many non-VP truck pullers giving advice and commenting on what one will or will not do and then also recommend a setup. IMO, the main reason that VP trucks do not do so hot in general, or just go P-pump when they're not doing good, is because of lack of tuning skill and understanding of how and what mod will affect the performance of the truck. Jumping straight to a P-pump will take the tuning out of their hands for the most part, because a pump shop will take over on that end of it. I do agree that at some point, for the ultimate setup, the P-pump is the way to go, but for someone trying to daily drive a pulling truck and still have the ability to tune and de-tune on the fly, the VP is by far a better match for what this class was intended to be.

Just my $.02
 
Wait, now Im confused, How is puting on a P-pump not having to do any tuning?

Maybe I need to throw a VP back on My truck so I can better Dial it in.....woops I mean turn a dial.....



But all in all, I dont think he is trying to go out there and set the world on fire with his truck. Brush pulling with a nice street truck is a lot of fun! Even going to the big events is fun, there is always some high $$$$$ trucks that show up and put the stomping on most of the pullers. Thus leads to more money and time spent on your own truck trying to keep up.

A good turbo, good injectors, good combo of box's, and the drive train to hold it is the best combo ( I know kinda vague)
 
Darren Smiths Dodge gets it done pretty well for a VP truck, He was in top 10 at scheids IIRC.
 
im still a vp and feel that i am getting close to or have maxed out as far as the pump will allow. :hehe::hehe:

not to start the huge monster pump battle, but i would stay away from them. i havent seen one that ran right, i have a scheid and absolutely love it!! your probably gonna need a bigger fass or air dog or whatever, and i recomend the adrenaline, it really turned my truck on. you just have to play with different tunes and settings and dont get aggervated with it, all sucessful techs know and understand the simple 10% rule when working on a vehicle, dont get aggervated and remember you have to stay 10% smarter than the vehicle:hehe::hehe:
 
Yeah Darren Smith went with a ppump last year.

And cummins4408 kinda has a point, but there is still alot of tuneing to do on a ppump set up also, but i still think that it is much harder to tune a vp.
 
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