how competetive can a VP44 truck be?

and ya im just wanting to build my truck to where i can go to the local pulls and not have to worry about not finishin up front.
 
Bosshawg, skewed I think would be an understatement to what your view of my post earlier was. Obviously for the puller that does the wrench work on their truck will still have the ability and know how of what to do with a P-pump for tuning, which does have infinite tuning capabilities. My argument is that it seems like so many people that buy a 24v now a days that are getting into pulling are instantly wanting to put a P-pump on their truck because their Edge or their TST won't take them to 5000 RPM, fuel hard at 4000 RPM, or get them first place first time out. These "out of the box" pullers which have no idea of tuning and setup have someone else do the tuning for them. Most of the tuning done by these pullers are getting done at the pump shop going by combos that the shop knows have proven to work pretty good from experience on other trucks. This is a good thing, but it makes tuning from the end user near non existent if they're not a wrencher. I have full faith that pullers such as yourself and others that consistently win or do very well for that matter have and will continue to tune or play with the P-pump so they can fine tune the pump to make it work for their motor and give them the combo that gives them just a little more when and where they need it. These pullers know that a pump shop can't compensate for each engines "perks" or what they like or dislike. They know that timing as well as plate placement among many, many other little things make all the difference in the world.

The VP can be and usually is the easiest to tune for someone with some understanding of how and what goes on in it to make it work. That's the key though. There are so many that run everything they've got wide open and expect that to translate to highest power output. Just like 800cc of randomly thrown in fuel from your P-pump won't make as much power as 400cc will when tuned properly, neither will every box run wide open with lines and injectors the size of fire hoses. This is more so evident with the new common rail crowd. This is the reason for so many people not being able to keep rail pressure up. The whole "I've got a smarty that makes 230 hp on level 9 and a TST that makes 150 on level 9-9, so if I put them both on there and turn them up, I'll make 380 more hp that stock. That ought to pull the sled." mentality is what is plaguing the scene of this sport. I don't know, maybe I just get aggrivated because it seems like all everybody is worried about is who farts out the biggest cloud of smoke. Heaven forbid that they didn't win so the assumption is "I need another box". Complete truck setup or tuning in my opinion, goes way farther than just throwing parts or fuel at a problem. Sure you can't replace hp, but a properly setup 400 hp truck will consistently do better than a non setup truck making 500 hp.

The main reason I bought this truck instead of a 12V was because I liked the idea of turning my setup down to whatever level of performance I wanted and somewhat control the timing as well. This is why in my opinion, the electronic trucks can go from one extreme to the other so well. Thus making an excellent true "street puller" truck.

Sorry about my rambling. I get a little excessive in all my writing. Another reason, I usually don't get involved in these threads.

Back to topic.
 
Cummins4408, you may only have 11 posts, but you just nailed that post. I could not have said it any better.
 
Well there is alot of tuneing i think that is going to happen on my truck i think.

Well last year i was running

Scheid lighting VP
DDP Comps 66LPM
TST COMP
powerpuck
silverbullet

and a few other odds and ends, and the truck ran good, was competitive in the 2.6 class

this year

Dragon fly VP
custom S400
Custom DDP's 75LPM
Adrenaline/pulse maybe a redline later

But just like cummins4408 said we are trying about every box on the market to see what runs better, next will be the redline. Also where looking into a front cover with a cam gear so when can change cam gear timing and get it dialed in.
 
Yeah, that's a misread at 5700. It really reads 5792.:shake:

Nah, I don't know what happened, but one night on a test drive after playing with the pump, box, and a few other things, I guess it spiked. I checked to see if I could get a little better fueling or better RPM out of it and the end result is my avatar. I did come out ahead from before, but not that far. I guess the signal spiked at some point during the drive and it was on the recall screen. Couldn't miss that photo op.:charger::woohoo::ft:
 
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lol
 
Damn, somebody beat me. I thought I had something too! But wouldn't that box be a Blueline? J/K. Never seen a bluefaced redline before.
 
I am a "quitter" and I gave up on the VP because I wasn't gonna spend $2700 on a smoke and mirrors pump that runs like total dog ****, lopes, pops at high rpm, and the builder ignores your phone calls when you have a problem. (II VP wasn't out then, just the MP)

I wanted to turn more rpms just cuz it sounds bad ass, and have the ability to grow into a bigger set-up down the road when I can afford to strengthen up the bottom end and go to a bigger 2.8 charger. There's VP trucks out there that make 120hp more than I am making and thats fine by me. I was tired of having a 4k limited truck that stopped fueling by 3400, had no smoke or top end power etc. I coulda spent the money I spent on my conversion stuff on vp parts and played with it and got it to run better...but its still rpm limited and hp limited to an extent. Plus nobody around where I live has a p-pump 24v so it was fun to learn and do the work myself. I don't regret it at all...I still drive it, took it out tonight to the car hang out...drove it smoke free all the way there and almost all the way back until I decided to beat on it a bit and have some fun on the highway. Sadly my truck needs alot more tuning that I have not had a chance to do yet. I can not afford a full days dyno time to play with it and try to optimize what I have...but it does ok for where it sits now.

Anyway back to the original question...yes you can be competitive at the local brush pulls. I ran a stock SO pump and cleaned up quite a bit locally, and it was a daily driver for the most part, I only trailer it to every pull cuz there is a high risk of breaking, and most pulls are at least 100 miles one way for me.
 
It was a redline, it was always resetting itself and having weird max readings like that.

I used to hate when I would be like 2 trucks away from hooking to the sled and the damn thing would "TIMEOUT" on me...I'd have to shut down and restart the truck, then hit the button 78 times to go from 15% back to 93% etc...it always happened right when I was ready to pull tho LOL
 
20th out of 55ish trucks in the 2.8 class. year before with a 100% street truck (no suspension mods, 35" tires, TST box etc) I took 10th out of like 25 in the 2.8 class. that was when my truck was a true daily driver too, now its a weekend toy that i try to drive at least 2-3 times a week when the weather is nice.
 
That blue redline looks familiar.......

Oh yea, I just installed it on a truck Saturday. You sold it to JFlagg right? Small world.lol
 
SmokinCummins said:
That blue redline looks familiar.......

Oh yea, I just installed it on a truck Saturday. You sold it to JFlagg right? Small world.lol
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He finally got it installed, huh? About time...:poke: To bad my injectors decided to crap out on me, I would have liked to give that redline a try, oh well...
 
cummins724 said:
Wonder how many of the 12 ahead of him are street trucks?
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I know the 11th place truck was a WS Dmax. Hard to judge a class with 60-80 trucks in it. Pulling late in the class last year made a huge difference in the standings.

I thought the truck that won Scheids a couple years ago was a P-pump early 98 model?? Was it blue?
 
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