Injector testing Today.....

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Since we had a beautiful day today here in the area I called Lloyd Mills at Mid-Atlantic Diesel Performance for a quick dyno test comparison of two sets of injectors.The air was great and light with humidity which lead to no correction factor so it made a level playing field.

The two sets of injectors we tested back to back were my original ECD 5x13's that have the sac nozzle and a new set of Smokem's 5x14 VCO nozzles.The ECD injectors have no lift increase and were set at 270bar when we had them freshened up last year when I had the head-gasket leave the building.The Smokem 5x14's have a lift increase and are set at 300bar.All runs were done uncorrected and we tried to start each run as close as we could to each other.

The best we did today with the ECD injectors was 546.51 hp/1097.45 tq.We seen 53psi of boost and the EGT's maxed out at 1610 degrees according to my Intellidash.So we allowed the engine to cool and Lloyd and Coop began the task of swapping in Weston's injectors.

After the swap was done we went back to work on the jet and the best run with Weston's injectors was 539.27 hp/1065.72 tq.We seen 54psi of boost and the EGT's maxed out at 1700 degrees with these according to my Intellidash.

Now as one can see we lost a bit of HP and a bit of Tq with the 5x14's but they are a very smooth working injector compared to my older ECD's.The 5x13's were always a bit choppy when you accelerated off the bottom and always had a rough idle to them but drove fairly well so I never concerned myself with it.On the drive home tonite across the back roads in North Central Maryland back to PA I got to experience just how much better the Smokem 5x14's really were as the drive home made them shine.Gone was the choppy low end fueling and the rough idle at stop lights and the engine has never been so smooth.When I was at Lloyd's shop I commented that I had never seen my truck idle so smooth and the when you listen and watched you never seen a wiggle or stumble at all.The 5x14's are as explosive as the old ones and yet the driveability is a ton better.The highway tailpipe haze is alot less with the new set compared to my old set and at idle it is noticeably less.

I am very pleased with what we found today and we will see how they perform driving them back and forth to work for the next few weeks.So far I am impressed and with a tad more tweaking maybe we can squeeze some more out of them.I'd like to say THANK YOU to Mid-Atlantic Diesel Performance for the use of his Dyno-Jet 248H and also say thanks to both Lloyd and Coop for their help today.I will include the charts below for you to look over and see,It was a great day and I was pleased going home.....Andy

P.S.-I can not figure out how to place the charts on this site.It seems that the limits on PDF's are so low that it will not upload them.I will get them scanned and converted to a jpeg and post them shortly.
 
Here are the sheets from the fuel runs today.....Andy
 

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Well....
I did forget to mention that we played a little bit today also after we installed the new injectors.Lloyd's shop always seems to bring out the HP animal in those who go there for work and to dyno,so we gave her a healthy dose of giggle gas.The truck lit the charger so hard it and charged through the powerband it lurched forward enough to loose the tach signal from the oliptical sensor which gives us the torque reading.The power number was all we got as we had to use the drum reading since the tach sensor quit reading in the middle of the run.The dyno sheet you see below is what we seen when we walked around to look at the chart..........740.03 HP..........Andy

P.S.-I told Lloyd I that NEEDED more as I was so close to my 800hp license plate I could smell it and all he could do was smile and tell me..."You'll be back for more".....LOL
 

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good job andy! now get a decent nitrous system on that thing, and see if you can break it! i smell 900hp.....!
 
Well, if we are talking gas, may as well shoot for 1000 h.p.
They make license plates that say that to. :)
 
The extra heat and boost with a slight power loss may indicate the need for a bit more turbo with the new injectors.
 
Hammer, what all do you have done to the truck? I am interested in some Smokem 5x14's to replace my supposed 5x14's.
 
somparing the two graphs
seem the 5x14s made more power sooner than the 5x13s and a wide power band with the 5x14s



by ~3000rpm seems the turbo was running out of air...


nice job reguardless:Cheer:
 
what turbo is that with?

The charger that is on my truck is a High Tech Turbo Pro-Street 66....66/71/13SS.

Ron....
You could be correct on that and with all you have done tesing turbos.

Jeff...
Your as bad as Lloyd...LOL.......Andy
 
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Nice numbers Andy. The RED 06 SPORT you liked is FOR SALE, Thanks Steve B.
 
I've never tried nitrous, but would it be less violent if it was ramped in slower? Looks like a nasty shock on everything.
 
The charger that is on my truck is a High Tech Turbo Pro-Street 66....66/71/13SS.

Ron....
You could be correct on that and with all you have done tesing turbos.

Jeff...
Your as bad as Lloyd...LOL.......Andy

Andy what is your drive pressure on the turbo at wot? it might be choking it with that 13ss housing i know its wastegated housing but it might still be really high drive pressure at WOT. you might want to try a large external wastegate to relive the drive pressure you might pick up some more HP on the top end.
 
I have also heard from people that had good luck going to a larger turbine housing, and a 64 wheel. It depends on how the egt's rise. If they rise early and stabilize, versus rise gradually, but keep going.
 
I am also still feeling that I have a camshaft issue with the way it just dies.

Skynyrd...
It has been discussed and I have had a drive pressure gauge on it a while ago.It really was not a issue without spray but could be with the use of spray and may need to be checked.

RonA...
When I compare the nitrous sheet with those of JetPilot's old "Slick Black Bottle Rocket" they are actually not much different in the way they ramp up.His Grey truck was the same way with a single charger with ramp up.I would have to think that its the way the charger reacts to the gas once its fed to it.I was standing at the rear of the truck making sure the exhaust pipe didn't fly out and fill the shop up.When it was hit the truck planted the rear tire and tried to bury it into the jets drum.
 
by ~3000rpm seems the turbo was running out of air...

:Cheer:

As mentioned he has the 66 mm turbo Others are claiming to make more with a lot less turbo. However his truck responded rather well to the additional air was added to the mix with the nitrous. Seems like it is way short on air.
 
hammer do you have a nitrous system? ... or how are you injecting the nitrous?
you don't even want to know how the nitrous got injected. All I can tell you is Timebomb ran like a girl when it was his turn to try it. :hehe: :hehe:
 
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